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[00:00:00] Kim: [00:00:00] There has been so much talk in the past month about the lack of inclusion and diversity in big corporations in America. And that topic has really hit home for the running community this week. So let’s talk runner’s world so white, but are we really surprised? And why do we even care?

[00:00:33] Welcome back to another episode of The Run Wave. I am your host Kim. If this is your first time here. Welcome to the show. If you are a return listener, welcome back to the show. I truly appreciate you. There has been quite an uproar in the running community in the past two weeks on the lack of diversity.

[00:01:00] [00:01:00] On the runner’s world magazine covers on June 25th, a podcast called keeping track posted on their IG account. Keep track media a pulse entitled representation matters. Now on that post that they had three slides. Of magazine covers from runner’s world Canadian running and women’s running. And the covers range from the years, 2009 to 2018, they did their own research on the covers of these magazines to determine how many people of color were featured on the covers.

[00:01:41] Runner’s world had 14.8%, a BIP O C, which is. Black indigenous people of color. If you can never heard that term. I just heard it within the past couple of months. It’s a new term to me too, but black indigenous people of color be I POC. [00:02:00] Woman’s running hat 31% BI PLC. Yeah. And Canadian running had 14.7, 5% BI POC on the covers from the years, 2009 to 2008, scene four runner’s world magazine.

[00:02:16] There were no people of color on their cupboards from today thousand nine to 2015, 14 Canadian running had no people of color on their covers, right? 2011 to 2013, 13, and women’s running hat. No people of color on their covers, 2009 to 2012. But are we really surprised? I know I’m not the principal now investigator for keeping track is a woman by the name of dr.

[00:02:45] France scene. Uh, I think her last name is pronounced the rogue. I will leave her information below her website and her email address. If you want to follow up. Uh, with her on this topic, I’ll also leave a link to the blog [00:03:00] post on keeping track with all of these findings. So you can read it all for yourself and draw your own conclusion on this controversy topic.

[00:03:09] There has been quite an uptick in the running community about the lack of diversity and inclusion on these runner’s world covers. I’ve been seeing what seems like pages long Instagram posts on this. I have seen a ton of Photoshop runner’s world covers where runners are putting themselves on the cover of Warner’s.

[00:03:34] We’re a magazine, a Photoshop cover posting those cupboards, adding runner’s world and saying. You know, runner’s world. This would be a great cover for your magazine. I’ve seen this over and over again. I will throw some of these up on the screen so you can take a look at them. I have seen a ton of Photoshop magic cover is where real life runners are putting themselves on runners.

[00:03:58] World mat covers. [00:04:00] Posting it on their page and saying, you know, Hey, runners were a, wouldn’t this make a nice cover for your magazine? You know, a person of color me, a runner covering your mag. I’m going to take a look at runner’s world Instagram page, and I’m going to put this up on the screen as well. So you can see why I’m not surprised that their covers lack.

[00:04:24] People of color as of today, Friday, July 3rd. So their latest photo is a picture of two beautiful black women on a track Hayward field. What is their name? Sabrina Sutterlan and Chanel price. They look awesome. They’re on the track. Um, there’s photos of the marking out photos of the field. The next picture is.

[00:04:49] A workout from their IGTV. The next picture is the next picture. Is there cover for this month’s issue? And this is [00:05:00] what I find very interesting. If you take a look at the cover, it features a black man whose name is. PJ Thompson. They describe him as a runner’s world plus member, whatever that is. And I’m going to PJ’s Instagram page and he’s, he’s a regular runner.

[00:05:21] He has 1,121 followers. It says he’s a government teacher, N a R R C a runner. Okay. Back to Runner’s World page. So the picture of him is so ambiguous. This picture could be anybody. You don’t see his face. All you see him doing is running across what looks like a stream of water with a bunch of rocks.

[00:05:46] I mean, don’t get me wrong. The picture is dope, but I can’t tell who this person is by this cover. And to me. That is really a F you too [00:06:00] runners of color everywhere, because you finally put a person of color on the cover of your magazine. And we can’t even see who the heck he is. I have to click on his freaking Instagram name to even know.

[00:06:13] That he’s a black man. I mean, give me a break. If you’re going to put a black person on the cover, put them on the cover, let us see their phase. What they look like, who they are. This is just a kick in the ass to me. And it, this is not acceptable at all. Ridiculous. So keeping up with their Instagram page, the next picture, June 26th.

[00:06:35] This is a picture of a local runner in New York city. He is a black man he’s running with his son in the stroller. The next picture is another black man running. This was on June 25th. The next picture is another, uh, IDT video of one of their trainers is just such she’s our runner’s world coach. She’s a white woman.

[00:06:55] The next picture is another black woman. Mitchell [00:07:00] Jackson wrote the article. Oh, it was actually a mod or bruise girlfriend. Hmm. That was on June 20th. Our next photo is a trail runner. Then on June 16th, we have three women of color they’re posing like this black power, which is great. Okay. Now we’re going to go a little bit further down and you’ll be able to see, I’ll have this up on the screen for you watching on YouTube.

[00:07:23] If you’re listening to this podcast. Just go over to runner’s world Instagram page, and you’ll see what I’m talking about. So a person of color, white person, white person, white person, white person, one person of color, two people of color, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white. Okay. This picture is their cover from May 24th.

[00:07:43] The next person of color on their pages May 10th, Allyson, Felix. They had a picture of Amaud Arbery on May 7th for his, uh, birthday on May 8th. And we ran the 2.3, three miles. And then if I keep [00:08:00] squirreling April 20, uh, there was a picture of, uh, Richardo Benitez, a person of color, and then keep scrolling, keep scrolling.

[00:08:12] The next person of color you see as March 11, keep scrolling, still scrolling, scroll, scroll, scroll. Okay. The next person of color is November 22nd, 2019. So I don’t see any color on their page from November 22nd to March of 2020. So that shows you the lack of diversity on their Instagram page. Now let’s check out their website.

[00:08:40] Okay. Their website. The first picture that I see is an article that says the pandemic couldn’t stop these Paralympic champs, and it is two black men running on the track. Now let’s click on that article. And the writer of that article is [00:09:00] Mary Pilon, P I L O N. Let’s tap on Mary’s profile. Married, there is zero information about her.

[00:09:07] So we don’t know her ethnicity. If she’s a runner, what she does, how long she’d been writing for the magazine, nothing back to the home page. Scrolling a woman is using a foam roller. I have a pair of Nike sneakers. There’s a article on bras. More sneakers article on a mod or by Mitchell Jackson, which we know he is a black man.

[00:09:38] Then we have more articles on coronavirus. So no people of color index section. Well, let’s click on the writers again. So the writer of, should I wear a mask while running Jordan Smith? Let’s click on her name, digital editor. She grew up in the black Hills of South Dakota. So I’m going to, [00:10:00] to assume that she is a white woman.

[00:10:04] Let’s go back. Ashley Mateo. I’m going to assume she’s a people person of color by her last name. She’s one of their writers. Who else do we have on runner’s world? Selena Yeager. Now this article is, well, the title pitcher is a woman of color, a black woman, and the writer is Selene Yeager. So yeah, she looks like.

[00:10:29] White woman when I’m assuming. So just by looking at runners were a website. I mean, they do have people color writing on their website, but they are the minority of the writers on the website, which is. Part of the problem, because if you don’t have a diverse writing staff, you’re not going to have diverse stories because people tend to write about what they know.

[00:10:55] What’s close to them, stuff that they can relate to. And [00:11:00] the lack of diversity in that reflects the articles on the website as well. Many people probably don’t know this, but runner’s world. It is a part of the Hearst digital media family. Now let’s see some of the magazines yeah. Are included under the Hearst.

[00:11:19] Okay. Umbrella. Okay. We have food network magazine, HDTV cosmopolitan, which has ISA Ray on the cover. Men’s health, women’s health runner’s world country, living popular mechanics. Bicycling magazine has a black male on the cover of car and driver, Elle decor, Esquire Bazaar house. Beautiful. Marie Claire. Oh, magazine prevention.

[00:11:49] Broad town and country verandah women’s day out of all of those magazines, only four had people of color on them. Are you getting my drift? [00:12:00] I read a article from the New York times. It was last month. Um, around the time that the world discovered the tragic murder of a mod Aubrey. So this article was published on May 12th, and I’m going to link it in the show notes so that you can read it for yourself.

[00:12:18] But this article was titled, jogging has always excluded black people. Now in this article, they quote running USA. Which found that 10% of frequent runners identify as African American now African-American but I hate that the term African-American is used to describe all black people at America because all black people are not African American.

[00:12:52] And this really grinds my gears. If you’re from the Caribbean, if you’re from Jamaica, You don’t identify as African American, you [00:13:00] identify as Jamaican, or if you’re first generation Jamaican American, you know, so I think that certain terms need to not be used to group black people all into one. And African American does not define every single black person in America.

[00:13:17] But according to this article, temper percent of joggers identify as African American. The article also said that the United States is sending for the very first time. This is fricking ridiculous. I can’t even believe, believe this, but they’re sending black. Female marathon is to the Olympics in 2021 for the very first time, which is Crazy!

[00:13:42] I can’t believe this is the first time that black women are running for America in the marathon distance at the Olympics. So my thoughts on this whole runner’s world controversy is I really don’t give a damn I could care. They’re less. The [00:14:00] only time that I had a runner’s world. Subscription was years and years ago, probably when I signed up from one of my first and, uh, you know, active sometimes have.

[00:14:12] And active.com sometimes gives complimentary magazine subscriptions. And I think I had like a three month subscription to runner’s world magazine. And once that trial was up, I canceled it because that magazine does not reflect me. I’m not going to subscribe to a service that does not tell stories about people that.

[00:14:36] Look like me. If every cover that I get is a skinny, white girl on the cover. I can relate to that. I’m not a skinny white girl. I’m a black woman, 38 years old wife, mother of two children that lives in America. A skinny white girl running in Montana is not relatable to me. So I’ve never given money to [00:15:00] runner’s world magazine because it’s just not a relatable magazine for me.

[00:15:05] They don’t have my interests at best heart. I’m obviously not their target demographic because there’s barely anyone that looks like me on the cover of that magazine. If you think about it, if you’re walking past a stand and you see a magnet with a runner on the cover, right. That may interest me just from the term running.

[00:15:26] But if I see someone on the Culver that is totally unrelatable to me. Yeah. I’m going to keep it moving because it doesn’t make sense to me to spend my, my hard earned money on something that doesn’t enrich my mind, body and soul. So runner’s world. I could care less. I don’t follow them on social media.

[00:15:47] Well, I did follow my social media for like, A month maybe because I put up a post on social media and someone’s had them in my posts and a couple other magazines. So I said, you know what, [00:16:00] let me follow these accounts and see what they’re about. Maybe they’ll have interesting content, but after a while I saw how whitewashed those social media pages were.

[00:16:09] And I unfollowed them because there’s no one there that I can relate to and don’t get me wrong. I followed plenty of. So reverse accounts accounts that don’t look like me. I purchased from brands that are not black owned. I do support plenty of blacks, gold brands, but I’m a runner. And. I see plenty of black runners, plenty of Hispanic runners, plenty of people of color in the running community and run his world just does not represent that.

[00:16:40] You know, what I really want to know is how many of you runners and some of you are, my friends were cool with it.  but how many of you actually pay for a subscription to. Runner’s world magazine. I’m interested to know that. So if you pay for a subscription to runners, wear a magazine, hit me up [00:17:00] in my DMS or leave a comment below on YouTube of this video.

[00:17:05] And just let me know. I’m very curious to the answer to that question. Do you frequent their website? Do you read their articles? I want to know how involved you actually are in runner’s world to be in such an uproar that they’re not including people of color on their covers. Are you invested in this magazine?

[00:17:25] The other thing I wanted to discuss on this topic was a New York city based runner named Adam runs NYC. That’s his Instagram handle. He put up a post. I think it was this, it was two days ago. So it was, uh, July 1st and his post says, I’m going to put it up on the screen here. I spoke with runner and cheap at runner’s world magazine.

[00:17:51] Now in this post, he says his requests. Remember, these are his requests. He doesn’t speak for the entire black running community or the [00:18:00] entire running community of people. These are his requests. So he said at least 32% of annual covers should feature people of color, which is two out of six. Fat chance of that create an advisory board with various community leaders, pro athletes and coaches to know what’s happening on the ground and keep runner’s world accountable.

[00:18:24] Have a safe workplace for employees to voice their opinion about the diversity of runner’s world through a structured forum. Now runner’s world response was. That they will feature a black athlete, PJ Thompson on their latest issue, which I showed earlier. You can’t even see his face. Sorry, PJ, but they did you wrong bear, unless that’s what you wanted.

[00:18:50] If that’s what you wanted and you’re listening, let me know, but that’s not what I would have wanted. They said moving, they will be more equity and covers with people [00:19:00] of color. What does that mean? More equity in covers runner’s world has committed to have fair representation of people of color. With six covers.

[00:19:11] That should be at least two. If not more generally, yes, we will be making sure covers are now represented it by all people of color or else we will be held responsible. They also send an audit. Up content and business partners is currently being worked on to identify groups that are not being represented more diverse staff across the board when hiring freeze it’s a COVID has lifted donating advertising space to racial equality, community and pro running advisory board to begin by 2021, a written statement in the next issue and sooner on the website.

[00:19:48] So that’s what runners were that they’re willing to do moving forward. We will see if they live up to these promises so far, they’ve lived up to the first one, [00:20:00] having a PJ Thompson on the cover. What do you do?

[00:20:08] I didn’t want this show to just be one sided of me giving my opinion on why I just don’t give a damn about runner’s world magazine. So I asked a few runners out there to let me know their thoughts on this whole controversy. So. First up. I have Amanda who was in New York city based runner. She was actually on my show in the very beginning, uh, on the episode title runners, turn triathletes.

[00:20:37] I will link that episode below so you can go back and listen to it. So I’m going to play Amanda’s audio and you can hear what she has to say about this situation.

[00:20:48] Amanda: [00:20:48] Hey Kim. Chiming in it’s Amanda from the run community in NYC. Wanted to share my thoughts quickly with the runway podcast on the runner’s world magazine issue.

[00:20:59] That’s [00:21:00] trending on social media right now. Uh, you know, runner’s world world issue with their lack of diversity is something I’ve noticed for years. I first noticed the magazine years ago waiting in a grocery store aisle and later, only subscribed to the magazine because I received. A year free and, and, uh, basically for purchasing something, however, I didn’t bother to renew or pay for the subscription because they never showcase any black people or other people of color on the mag.

[00:21:28] Um, you know, there’s so many distance runs nurse from pros like med tiptoe, gay work Nash to Mary Kitney to your neighbor, the black distance runners and your local run clubs around the globe. So it’s not like black distance. Or black runners do not exist. They often do not get the same media attention and opportunities as white runners, representation matters more people of color being featured and added to the cover of magazines or news articles is important to show.

[00:21:54] We exist in that space and also being given the same opportunity as well as motivate [00:22:00] and encourage other black people to join long distance running or running in general triathlons and many other sports that often only showcase. White people competing. This is really what rallying and protesting going on is, is about, you know, it’s about equality of rights and opportunities.

[00:22:16] Our representation, this country once never had a black president. And that was very hard to envision, but, you know, since Barack Obama did serve, that’s something that we actually see reality and we can believe in. So for us to move the needle forward and forward and inclusivity, we really. Need to include black people in the conversation on the cover of magazines, you know, in news articles.

[00:22:42] And if honestly, if runner’s world doesn’t want to acknowledge that they have not been inclusive, then there is no need to keep asking for them to represent us, you know, create our own.

[00:22:51] Kim: [00:22:51] See, now I totally agree with Amanda that representation does matter and black people deserve the cover of these magazines, [00:23:00] but are we going to keep pandering and begging runner’s world to put us on the cover?

[00:23:06] Are, are they going to do the right thing and just. Do it next up is an audio clip from Jesse. Jesse is a Tristate base area runner. He is a member of black men run New York city and the New York city way. So let’s hear what Jesse has to say.

[00:23:27] Jessie: [00:23:27] The runner’s world magazine. I feel like for our culture, us being, you know, black and Brown and.

[00:23:35] Hispanic or not. I don’t feel like it matters, honestly. Um, I feel like it’s cool if we are featured in articles like that, but on the flip side, you know, let’s continue as our own culture to build each other up, to uplift each other, to look out for each other and just start our own thing. Um, the world we live in now is pretty much accessible [00:24:00] to all avenues.

[00:24:01] I feel like. You know, from certain points, we have a tendency to want to look to larger companies and magazines for the recognition. Um, I’m of the mindset where it’s cool, but it doesn’t really matter. I think what matters most is. The clubs, the crews, the folks that are out there putting together this movement for black and Brown, you know, and all types of color folks should be the ones to bring each other to the forefront.

[00:24:38] By that, I mean, we have access to everything to start our own digital magazine, to start our own run shows to start our run own run, pap podcasts, such as the runway, even other podcasts that are out there. Out there. Um, I think it’s cool that we’re all doing that. I think we should all focus on doing that and just look out for each other and just uplift each other, rather than look [00:25:00] to these large, predominantly white magazines websites for recognition.

[00:25:08] It’s cool. Yes. It’s another door that opens out for each other. Yes. But at the same time, we have to continue to look out for each other. We have to. Focus on each other and just, you know, build our own brands up. And the way we do that is just by continuing to give each other shots, shot us each shout out to build a home brands out, to have our own, you know, digital magazines to have our own social media sites.

[00:25:37] And, you know, as the following becomes bigger, then you know, those. Larger magazines will eventually come call them, but do we really need, you know what I mean? So, um, I feel like it’s cool that everybody’s stepping up and saying, Hey, we should feature this personal as well magazine, but honestly we could do that ourselves.

[00:25:58] You know, [00:26:00] I think everyone tends to follow a trend that doesn’t mean need to be followed and we should just make our own lanes. And that’s what we should continue to focus on rather than. You know, when to start our own mover with other entities, let’s make our own entities. Let’s focus on each other.

[00:26:16] Let’s build our brains up and let’s continue to put ourselves out there and let’s, you know, create our own movement. It’s all coaches of color, black and Brown, Hispanic, Spanish, everything, every, you know, every culture that that’s out there other than the white.

[00:26:32] Kim: [00:26:32] Do you notice the trend here, Amanda and Jesse both said the same thing.

[00:26:37] We need to build our own. We don’t need runner’s world. We are the culture. We are the runners enough people have posted about this issue. People with large followings. That can actually do something about it. You have graphic designers, you have writers, let’s come together and collaborate and make our own [00:27:00] digital magazine.

[00:27:00] We don’t need runner’s world. We don’t need to make fake covers of ourself on their covers. We can make our own covers. We don’t need runner’s world, magazine. They need us remember that. Next up, we have a clip from Raphael. He is a Arizona based runner. He is the national co-captain of black men run, and he’s also the director of marketing.

[00:27:27] So let’s hear what Ralph has to say.

[00:27:30] Rafael: [00:27:30] Hello, I’m Rafael Ortiz, national co-captain and director of marketing for black men. Right. As well as the captain of the Phoenix chapter. So while the big fuss, does it really matter or is it just pandering as some might say, personally, I think that in this climate where people are more aware of the importance of amplifying black voices and having more representation in various industries and corporations, the front cover does matter.

[00:27:57] Because it helps to speak to a broader [00:28:00] audience and it shows the diversity in the sport of running. I will say runner’s world has gotten better with their stories particularly and unfortunate slowly after the mod are very tragedy. Now I said this claimer, I personally have been quoted in a recent article about the run for justice virtual 5k.

[00:28:20] That was a recent partnership between black men run and Latinos run. Black Men Run was also featured in the story in 2017 and mentioned him. Couple of articles about black running organizations in the U S so they’re doing a better job of amplifying our voices and featuring more runners of color as of late.

[00:28:39] But the front cover shows an even greater commitment to being more inclusive in the sport of running. It might attract those who are not runners currently, but happened to be at a gas station or bookstore or a checkout line. And all of a sudden they see someone that looks like them on the front cover, and they become intrigued by it.

[00:28:57] And that’s what representation does live. More [00:29:00] people see themselves in the sport for the, it leads to them wanting to try running, thereby increasing the number of black miners and helping to ultimately improve our health as a people. And that, to me, is why they cover matters.

[00:29:15] Kim: [00:29:15] Raphael made some really good points.

[00:29:17] And I mentioned this earlier, if you’re walking by a magazine stand and you don’t see yourself reflected on that cover, you may just keep it moving. So yes, the cover matters. Yes. One was world has featured people of color. Inside their magazine. They quoted people of color. Raphael said he was quoted inside the magazine, but the cover is still important.

[00:29:44] But like I said, do we need runner’s world to put us on their covers? No. The last submission that I I have is from Tasha of a Black Gyrl SOS my fellow. Bronx [00:30:00] native. And if you remember, she was on my Running While Black collaborative episode, part two, we had an all podcast host round table discussion. And if you heard that show, you know, Tasha keeps it all the way real.

[00:30:15] So let’s hear what Tasha has to say on this topic.

[00:30:21] Tasha: [00:30:21] Hey, what’s up. This is Navi from black girl SOS and just, here’s my thing on the whole. Put me on the cover of runner’s world. Fuck runner’s world. Bottom line point blank, period. They know what they’re doing. We don’t need to tell them we don’t need to apply pressure.

[00:30:37] They’re not acting from this space. Uh, you know, naivete. They don’t not know what they do. This is a magazine dedicated to a sport that we. Dominic in every distance and every distance, that’s a known fact. This is not a secret. So the fact that they don’t have us on the cover is because it does [00:31:00] not play into the narrative or the story they’re trying to tell that’s it.

[00:31:04] They don’t not see us. They see us and they are actively purposely ignoring us. I don’t, I’m not begging you to pick me, pick me. I don’t care. I don’t need to be acknowledged by them. I don’t need to be seen by them. I don’t fuck with them. I discontinued my subscription a very long time ago. I encourage you all to do same.

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[00:31:29] Kim: [00:31:29] Listen. I  agree with Tasha and chipper said it looked, that’s another person that said they’ve discontinued their runner’s world subscription due to their lack up diversity and inclusivity. So there you have it. Other opinions on this topic that are not mine. Some are similar to mine. Some are similar, but a little bit different, but yeah, you know, everyone feels strongly about this issue.

[00:31:56] We all know the cover matters. That’s not up for debate, [00:32:00] but does runner’s world care enough about people of color to include them on their covers? That’s the question that. We are looking for answers on before I close out this episode, I just want to give you a couple of resources that we, as people of color can look to and read, subscribe to and gain knowledge from that actually speaks to us that actually represents us.

[00:32:30] So it was very difficult to find another running magazine that is catered to black runners, but I did find a website called the undefeated. It is owned by ESPN, but this website is actually really dope. I’m going to put it up on the screen right here. And if you’re at home listening, you can just go to the undefeated  dot com to check out the website.

[00:33:00] [00:33:00] But this website has as articles all about black and Brown people of color. They’re talking today about, uh, the top basketball recruit. Macor. Maker and his choice to go to an HBCU, Howard university, they have the story about Maya Moore, um, who used her platform to get a, uh, gentlemen out of it. Jail.

[00:33:27] There is an article on Frederick Douglas. There’s an article on the protests where, uh, Cyclists were riding through the city. There’s just so much on this site. Even the story about, uh, the news found and Bubba Wallis’s garage for NASCAR. Now they are lacking though. Stories about running. Now, this could be because we’re in the middle of a pandemic and there’s like nothing going [00:34:00] on really and running right now.

[00:34:02] So I don’t know what the site looks like in ordinary time, but this is a site that is full of people of color. And if we want to be represented on digital media, Send your information to this site hit the contact us button on their site. They have a list of everyone’s name, position. Everything is okay on this website, the undefeated.

[00:34:24] So I highly highly encourage you to check it out. And make it a part of your, uh, everyday sports reading, subscribe to their emails because the site looks really amazing. This next one is not a website, but it is a Instagram page. And it’s cool. Pull up for a change. So exactly how I just said it. It’s spelled out, I’ll put it up on the screen right here.

[00:34:51] And you can just go on Instagram if you’re listening to check out the page, but the page is run by Sharon. She is [00:35:00] the owner of UOMA beauty, which is a black owned beauty brand. So go support them if you’re love or beauty, like I am. Uh, the brand is dope and you know, the owner is pretty amazing. So she created this page to hold brands, accountable and lets hold Runner’s World accountable, go on to  pull up for change and start tagging runner’s World in the comments, you can go to any of their posts and talk about Runner’s World. And this is how Sharon finds these companies and starts adding that and makes them tell us their diversity numbers.

[00:35:39] So a problem that I see runner’s world is their staff is probably just not that diverse. So if you don’t have any people of color or minimum people of color on your staff, it’s hard for that. One person to stand up and say, this is not right. And if you have no people of color on your staff, no, [00:36:00] one’s going to tell you what you’re doing is not right.

[00:36:02] So go check out, pull up for change.  Go on any of the posts and tag runner’s world ask Sharon .to put runner’s world on notice. We want to know what their diversity numbers are. What are the percentages of their staff? How many people of color on there are on their staff, how many white people are on their staff, Asian, whatever women, minorities.

[00:36:25] We want to know what their staff numbers look like. So definitely check out, pull up for a change. It is a great Instagram page and they’re doing. Great work to make big brands, show accountability, and diversify their work staff, which is needed. I want to thank you for tuning in to this episode of the The Run Wave Podcat.

[00:36:48] This was an important topic. It’s something that’s going on right now in the running community, which really needed to be addressed. I want to thank all of my audio [00:37:00] contributors. Amanda, Jessie, Raphael and Tasha. Thank you so much for submitting your thoughts on this runner’s world fiasco. It’s not a controversy its a fiasco, but again, thank you everyone for tuning in, and I will see you on the next show later.

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