Episode 13


Lets Talk: 

The King’s Pyramid Run Challenge

featuring Philip King

by | Jun 26, 2020 | Episodes | 0 comments



In this episode of The Run Wave Podcast, Kim chats with Philip King, Boston Marathon Runner, World Traveler, Eagles Fan, & Dad about his quest to complete the Abbott World Majors, running in Africa, and his infamous pyramid challenge.

Phillips challenge is quite unique because it entails 55 days of consecutive running, with a steady increase in mileage every few days.  Take a look at the pyramid below. 


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[00:00:00] Kim: [00:00:00] Have you totally fallen off with your running during quarantine? I know I did. Let’s talk the Kings pyramid run challenge featuring Philip King.

[00:00:20] Kim: [00:00:20] Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of  The Run Wave Podcast. I am your host. Kim and I have a guest today, please welcome Phillip King to the show. Welcome Philip. How have you been.

[00:00:37] Philip: [00:00:37] Man, just like everybody else, you know, dealing with the changing world that we’re living in.

[00:00:45] Kim: [00:00:45] So tell our audience a little bit about yourself.  Where are you from and where do you currently reside?

[00:00:54] Philip: [00:00:54] Uh, I’m from Arkansas. And so living in Arkansas right now, born in [00:01:00] Newport, Arkansas, which is kind of like the North East corner of the state now living in the us. Right outside of Little Rock in the suburb of Little Rock.

[00:01:07] Kim: [00:01:07] So you’ve been in Arkansas your whole life?

[00:01:10] Philip: [00:01:10] Yup.

[00:01:12] Kim: [00:01:12] Okay.

[00:01:13] Philip: [00:01:13] I’m  pretty sure, I I’m pretty sure they can hear it by now.

[00:01:17] Kim: [00:01:17] Well, we can hear something. I don’t know what it is, but we can hurt it. That’s for sure. Well, look, people say that I have a New York accent and I don’t hear

[00:01:26] Philip: [00:01:26] it.

[00:01:29] Nah, we can talk fast though.

[00:01:30] Kim: [00:01:30] I talk. Okay.

[00:01:31] So I’ll slow down for you. I’m going to dig into my Southern roots for you. So what do you do for a living?

[00:01:40] Philip: [00:01:40] U

[00:01:41] Uh, I work for ups, so I drive for Brown.

[00:01:46] Kim: [00:01:46] I know all about that. My husband drives a Brown as well.

[00:01:50] Philip: [00:01:50] Oh, okay.

[00:01:51] Kim: [00:01:51] Yeah, we know, we know all about those. Uh, what do you call that, that, that lunch money that comes through?

[00:01:56] Philip: [00:01:56] Uh, like, I can’t [00:02:00] believe she told on him like that. It does. It depends on what rats, you gotta know, like some routes pay out better than others for like the last minute here

[00:02:10] Kim: [00:02:10] I am very familiar.

[00:02:12] I know the deal. So when did you start running and what made you get into running?

[00:02:20] Philip: [00:02:20] Uh, I started running in like 2016. It was like 2016. And at the time I think, well, I had been divorced like a year or two before that. And it was just like something to do to kind of get back to being me, you know, some cause when you, after a divorce, it kinda like.

[00:02:40] I know that perspective where it’s just you and for me, I just wanted to challenge myself. It was a lack of fucking listening. I seen some of my friends had ran marathons or whatever, and so I was like, I’m gonna run a marathon before, before I turned 40. And I’m around one after I turned four.

[00:02:57] Kim: [00:02:57] Okay. So you had friends that were [00:03:00] runners already.

[00:03:01] Philip: [00:03:01] Yeah, I had a, my cousin, she was, she was doing like half marathon and I kept telling her I was weighing up running with it, but I never did. And I also had like an older friend that I had worked with before. I S I used to see her posts about doing, you know, five K, 10 K and stuff like that. So I was kind of in her sit down, but I just didn’t have the time when.

[00:03:23] Being lazy. You know, you work at ups by the time you get home, you ain’t got time. You don’t feel like nothing.

[00:03:29] Kim: [00:03:29] I know it’s time to eat, shower and go to bed. But it’s, it’s interesting that you said that you knew people that were runners because most of us don’t have anyone that. We, um, got into the sport that they were doing it before us.

[00:03:44] So, um, it’s nice that you had someone that kind of brought you into the

[00:03:49] Philip: [00:03:49] sport.

[00:03:50] I mean, actually it was cool though. Cause like, like my cousin, my cousin Raquel, we graduated the same year, same age, it’s all with like a [00:04:00] competition with us. So when I first told her. That I was going to do one. She immediately, she, the one that tells me how far the marathon was 26 months in.

[00:04:08] So I was like, okay, that’s how, for one time I doing 26 months a mile. So we was like a half marathon. So I went to her house and she was showing me a training plan that she had done. And me being me, I’m like, I’m not running that many days a week. I’m government run. Three days a week and that’s going to be that.

[00:04:26] So I guess, because I wouldn’t take a nun or hood by, she kind of like challenged me to be able to beat her fastest marathon time. And then it kind of started it from there.

[00:04:37] Kim: [00:04:37] Wait, so you, you got into running and your first race was a half marathon?

[00:04:41] Philip: [00:04:41] No, no, no, no. Like I looked at like the training plan. She had it had you build up, like, I think the train, like three weeks and then do a 5K.  And then I look for a 10 K and then a half marathon after that.

[00:04:56] Kim: [00:04:56] Okay. So did you eventually join any clubs or [00:05:00] teams?

[00:05:01] Philip: [00:05:01] Y eah, Ashley, uh, like I thought I’d done my first five K uh, one of the people that there was a friend of mine that she was running it when she saw that I’d done the fire case, she took me down to a BMR run group.

[00:05:13] So I ran with a BMR guys here in little rock for a little while, but with my hours, it’s pretty much always solo training for me.

[00:05:22] Kim: [00:05:22] So what kind of sneakers are you running in right now?

[00:05:26] Philip: [00:05:26] Nike Nike

[00:05:32] Kim: [00:05:32] motto.

[00:05:32] What’s your model. Don’t tell me it’s those a $250 make you run. Super

[00:05:36] Philip: [00:05:36] fast shoes.

[00:05:38] Those, uh, those are races only.

[00:05:40] I don’t train to know, but I train in like the, the zone fly. They kind of similar to the vapor fly to the closest you’re going to get to them, except the cushion is different. So I trained in the zone flies. Now, since I started training them, I ain’t had no problem with my Achilles, no plan for CIT.

[00:05:56] There’s none of that. Now we’re like I got [00:06:00] the zone flies and then like the terrible Pegasus, they got the full percent cushion and then the, uh, zoom exon and they’ll stop it. So I kind of mixed that in like one or two days a week.

[00:06:11] Kim: [00:06:11] Now I’m not switching teams, but I do hear it. Why, what is up with the zoom fly?

[00:06:17] Why is everyone running in these sneakers? What’s so special about them.

[00:06:21] Philip: [00:06:21] To me, it’s the, it’s the cushioning. And you know, if you do a marathon, when you hit 1820 miles, your body’s still in the stress. And it’s really from all the pounding. So that zoom X it is. So I, it just breaks it, it eliminates a lot of the stress.

[00:06:37] Cause I mean, I used to run into Adidas. Like when I was in New York, I came to the, I came to the, you remember I was at childhood, I ran, I ran New York and, uh, Adidas tempo nine. When I got finished hotel room, took my shoes off. My feet were bleeding. Like my toenail. I had blood in my I, my socks or whatever [00:07:00] out.

[00:07:01] Yeah. But I was anti Nike though. Like I started out in the eighties, I ran through the eight, six series. Everybody was like, man, you need the lighter shoes. You go a lot faster. So I got a lighter shoe. I went to Adidas and then like, I had a pair of zoom slides that I bought and I went back to running them cause I had the ultra boots and the ultra boost needs to be, I, the cushion is great, the ultra boost, but for some reason I started developing a plan or fit yard is I guess I was too soft of a shoot.

[00:07:27] So I ran in that shoe. And that I didn’t have a problem. And then I drank the Koolaid and, and, and bought a printer for percents. And man, once I ran a marathon and a 40%, I refused to wear a marathon. Any other

[00:07:41] Kim: [00:07:41] foundation?

[00:07:42] Now what’s so special about those because I remember in New York city marathon last year, everybody had on those sneakers, right?

[00:07:50] And I could hear them coming a mile away. I mean, it’s like they were running on bricks. So are they heavy? Like what, what is the deal with

[00:07:58] Philip: [00:07:58] the,

[00:07:58] Kim: [00:07:58] why do they sound like that?

[00:08:00] [00:08:00] Philip: [00:08:00] It depends on which ones you talk about. Like. If they heel strike, like I know if it’s like mine, like to cut down on weight, like on the bottom of it, they cut up into the shoe to where it’s kind of like a, like a little suction cup in there.

[00:08:13] So if you heel striking, you can hear that pop, pop, pop, pop. I run on my fourth, but. The biggest thing for me, when I put them on with the, they light, they super, super light and a super, super cushion. And it just like, it takes one of the aspects of running a marathon after one. But you ain’t gotta be worried about your feet hurt.

[00:08:34] Like that’s what I hated about running a marathon.

[00:08:36] Kim: [00:08:36] That’s I hate it. I hate it

[00:08:37] Philip: [00:08:37] though.

[00:08:38] Kim: [00:08:38] Like mine, the bottom of my feet, like always hurt. Even when I walk in regular shoes for a long time, the bottom of my feet after like five hours, it hurts. But back to those next percent. Okay. So everyone got them because this will make you.

[00:08:54] Run faster.

[00:08:56] Philip: [00:08:56] Yeah. They say you post 4% more [00:09:00] efficient, you know, and that, that could depend on the Rauner and the way you flip strike and all that. But I think for a marathon, anybody can benefit from just if nothing else to cushion it. And the lightweight of.

[00:09:12] Kim: [00:09:12] Well, let me tell you. And New York city, I started in wave three in the back of wave three and all of those people, they were right back there with me and we’re running the same pace.

[00:09:23] So I don’t know how beneficial it is to wear those sneakers,

[00:09:27] Philip: [00:09:27] but they recover faster. Like you recovered way faster. Like the next day you’re not hurting as much as you would be. Didn’t have them on.


[00:09:35] Kim: [00:09:35] I’m going to have to take your word for it because this girl is not spending $250 on a pair of sneakers. That’s just never gonna happen.

[00:09:43] Philip: [00:09:43] Trust me, trust me. Trust me. I mean, actually they had like the same songs they came out with the newer, next percent you might be to find a pair of four for cents for like $187 a month.

[00:09:56] Kim: [00:09:56] That’s too much. That’s too much. My limit is I limit is a hundred dollars. I’m [00:10:00] not spending more than a hundred and that’s a lot.  A hundred dollars is a max. I was spending on a pair of sneakers.

[00:10:07]Philip: [00:10:07] I worship. I promise you. I was, I was just like you, I was anti, Nike. I can remember running the Chicago marathon and I’ll be like, I counted everybody. I passed the, had on a pair of 4%. Cause I was like, get 4%. So I’m going to be cheap. So I’m counting people as I pass them.

[00:10:23] And then I think it was after that race that I finally broke down and said, I’m going to turn them out. And once I tried them, I will never run a marathon in another person.

[00:10:33] Kim: [00:10:33] So how many pairs do you have?

[00:10:35] Philip: [00:10:35] Uh, I got like, I got to to 4% and then I got to pray the next person and I hadn’t ran into in the next percent yet. Cause all the races are cancelled.

[00:10:46]Kim: [00:10:46] Speaking of canceled races, what did you have on your, your schedule for 2020? That’s no longer happening.

[00:10:54] Philip: [00:10:54] Yeah, for 2020, it was supposed to be a good year for me. I mean, I had to set up to where I was [00:11:00] supposed to finish. My, uh, my six are racist, so I was supposed to finish all the world majors.

[00:11:04] I had Tokyo and London was the last two I needed. So I had Tokyo, London, foster, just all these races. And I can remember, like at the beginning of the year I was at that same cousin house. And she was like asking me, where was I going this year? Cause she always, you know, see all my posts about when I go to different places for Ron.

[00:11:25] And she was like, uh, I was telling him to Tokyo. I said, I’m going back to Japan. And she was lady crazy. You see, they got the virus over there. And I was like, man, I said, they don’t have that many cases in Japan. So I don’t think they, the race, I was like, if they don’t cancel the race, I’m gone. And then like, man, like two weeks later they canceled the race and I remember texting her and told her she jinxed me.

[00:11:46] Listen,

[00:11:49] Kim: [00:11:49] I didn’t think Tokyo would be canceled. I don’t think we thought any of this will be canceled, you know, especially Tokyo was like, so when was that? March

[00:11:56] Philip: [00:11:56] early February.

[00:11:59] Kim: [00:11:59] And that was in [00:12:00] February. So just quick. So how did you get in? Did you get in by lottery? Did you like pay the fundraising fee?

[00:12:06] Philip: [00:12:06] I did the fundraiser fee. It was crazy because I went to Tokyo last year and I was supposed to do it last year, but I, I, I was like, man, I’m not doing the chair. And I’m going to try my luck with a lottery. Didn’t get in. So this time I was like, I’m not going to chance and I’m just going to pay the money, finish it up and be done with it.

[00:12:25] Kim: [00:12:25] Yeah. That was my plan for next year too, to pay the fee. But I think they increased it already. And yeah, and it’s just, it was so like two years ago, it wasn’t as hard to get in with paying that fee as it was last year, because so many people want to do the world majors now. So yeah, I think I’m going to have to wait a few years to do

[00:12:49] Philip: [00:12:49] Tokyo.

[00:12:52] Kim: [00:12:52] Um, I took the lottery, I think three years in a row now.


[00:12:55] Yeah, no I

[00:12:59] Philip: [00:12:59] just asked [00:13:00] that because they say like, uh, it’s easier for American women, especially. I mean, American women to get in here because there’s so few, uh, Japanese women that run it. And I was like a lot of times it’s easy for the women to getting into a lot of, like, I know two people.

[00:13:14] You’re getting into a lot of,

[00:13:16] Kim: [00:13:16] well, I’ve been trying and I have no luck and I been shot. I was trying before it got like super popular and just it’s I don’t know. We’ll see what happens. So speaking of international races, you were, I know you went to South Africa. Was that last year? 2019?

[00:13:37] Philip: [00:13:37] Yup. Yup.

[00:13:40] Kim: [00:13:40] So do you have a goal of doing the seven continents as well?

[00:13:46] Philip: [00:13:46] No, I don’t want to go to no Antarctica. I don’t want to go to Antarctica and I definitely don’t want to pay that type of money.

[00:13:54] Isn’t 

[00:13:56] Kim: [00:13:56] that crazy.

[00:13:59] Philip: [00:13:59] I’m not. [00:14:00] Nah.

[00:14:00] Kim: [00:14:00] Like you can buy a nice car with the money that it costs to run Antartica and freeze your bottle.

[00:14:07] Philip: [00:14:07] You can buy a nice car, nice down payment on a house. I mean, I can do a lot of stuff with that type of money,

[00:14:14] but what

[00:14:16] Kim: [00:14:16] was it like $17,000.

[00:14:19] Philip: [00:14:19] It’s expensive. I know that. And it’s just not a common thing. You’re not going to know beach and you’re going to be freezing cold. And I mean more power. I mean, I thought it was pretty cool watching everybody do it, but that’s just not something I wanted to do

[00:14:34] me either, I’ll

[00:14:35] Kim: [00:14:35] I’ll take a hard pass on that.

[00:14:37] Philip: [00:14:37] Yeah.

[00:14:38] Kim: [00:14:38] Tell me a little bit about the Africa trip. What made you want to do that race? How did you get into it? Tell me

[00:14:45] Philip: [00:14:45] about it.



[00:14:46] The first,  mean, when I first saw it running, I had always, I had always said, I thought it would be pretty cool to go to Africa and do you know, a marathon or, you know, some type of race in Africa.

[00:14:57] I mean, that’s what we from. And that’s [00:15:00] where the best runner the front that’s where the best marathon is distance running. So I always thought that would be cool to check that out. And, uh, and then to do it with a group of PE. Better. I was at first. I didn’t want to do it, but then all the places I’ve been that’s probably the most.

[00:15:17] I ain’t no, probably to it that’s the best trip wise I’ve had. It’s just a different feeling. It’s a whole different feeling to go somewhere to where like you, Oh, and you’re not just standing out in the crowd, you know? So it was, it was pretty cool even at the race. I mean, the race was just all up. I mean, it was some white people that ran the race from different places.

[00:15:39] Like I chatted with some people from different places and it was cool like that, but, but to see, you know, after the, after party at the race, all black people, just seeing some of the visiting, some of the places over there. So that’s probably like the best trip I’ve ever been on.

[00:16:00] [00:15:59] Kim: [00:15:59] Now, how is the race set out?

[00:16:01] Cause I know I’ve traveled a lot and done races in other countries and it’s a little different than what it is here, but I imagine that South Africa might be totally different. So like, do they have water stations? Like how is their race set up there?

[00:16:16] Philip: [00:16:16] Oh, it was different. Like actually, the race was in Zimbabwe.

[00:16:22] So the rac was in, Zimbabwe. Yes. They had water stations, but you know, going to Africa, they make you take all these shots and they were saying, don’t drink the water and stuff like that. So I didn’t really drink no water from the water stations until maybe like mile. 18 at that point, I had rent, I had a personal handheld water bottle, but that time, that time went dry quick.

[00:16:44] And then, and then, but I’ve been not try to drink water at the water stations. I kind of still a cramp. So at that point I was just kind of like, well, this is going to be a fun run from here on out. So I was kind of walking around it, but it was hot. And once it got hot, I was like, look, I took enough [00:17:00] shots, whatever next to the water station I get to I’m drinking water.

[00:17:03] So the water stations, they didn’t have like cups or whatever, and they didn’t have like water bottles. They had these little packets, so it was like a plastic packet. And you use a turd open with your mouth up, busted open and squeeze the water out and water come out.

[00:17:18] Kim: [00:17:18] That’s how it is in the Caribbean too.

[00:17:19] They have those packets.

[00:17:21] Philip: [00:17:21] Yeah. The little pack of soda that was different. And then like, uh, But this race, they didn’t have time in math. Like they had a time in Matt at the store and at the finish, but at all the checkpoints, they had people, officials they’re calling out numbers and the other person would be writing.

[00:17:39] So they had like, I don’t know, maybe four or five checkpoints. And instead of going over over a mat, they would just call out your number and the person would, uh, write it down.

[00:17:50] Kim: [00:17:50] But how did they keep the time then?

[00:17:52] Philip: [00:17:52] I mean, yo chip you, I believe the bill had a timer in it, like the little chip in the bill, but they only had a mat [00:18:00] at the start line and at the fence line.

[00:18:02] Kim: [00:18:02] So you didn’t have to start in

[00:18:03] Philip: [00:18:03] the finish time. Yeah. So you had a chip time on the store then on the finish, but the, in between spots, they would do it by a site. I don’t know when they write it down.

[00:18:14] Kim: [00:18:14] Okay. People listening at home and watching this on YouTube, don’t let Philip psyche you out with was saying that it was a fun run after mile 18.

[00:18:23] Cause he’s fast as hell. And his idea of a fun round is probably a seven minute mile. So wait, w what’s your fun run pace.

[00:18:34] Philip: [00:18:34] Just whatever. I mean. No, no.

[00:18:39] Kim: [00:18:39] Don’t make me throw up your stats on the screen. What’s your fun run pace.

[00:18:43] Philip: [00:18:43] Am I seriously? Like whatever I feel comfortable it during that time, I mean, I run with people.

[00:18:47] They run an eight minute pace. I mean, Seven and a half, you can be far around, but most of the time, eight minutes, I make it last. I see a lot of people say easy run. Most easy run should be around seven and a half, eight and a half. [00:19:00] That’s pretty easy.

[00:19:02] Kim: [00:19:02] I bet.

[00:19:03] Philip: [00:19:03] Yeah. So after that, like I, like once I cramped, it was just like, okay, that’s the rep, this is just going to finish now.

[00:19:12] Walk, run, try to sly.

[00:19:19] It is, it started out cool. But once the sun got up, it got pretty warm and that was the winter time. Like that’s considered they winter, July. So I dunno, it seemed like it got up in the Aiden’s head to be like, once the sun got up and then the race, I didn’t realize it at the time, but the race was actually parts of the race.

[00:19:38] Go through a Safari.

[00:19:41] Kim: [00:19:41] I have the pictures that look dope.

[00:19:43] Philip: [00:19:43] Nah,

[00:19:45] Kim: [00:19:45] wait, you had to wait for the animals to cross the street. Right?

[00:19:48] Philip: [00:19:48] Stuff like that. I mean, I didn’t see. No, I didn’t. I saw the, I saw like some, the monkeys or whatever, but I didn’t see no elephants while I was running now at one part of the race, like from [00:20:00] mile like 21 to 23, it was on this street and it had like, just brush on both sides of the street and, uh, I promise.

[00:20:09] I was like, man, you a dummy. I was like, you go came home after the eight by line. When you

[00:20:19] Kim: [00:20:19] say you saw a lion while you were running, or

[00:20:21] Philip: [00:20:21] I didn’t see a lion, but to like the day before we was at the hotel in the gift shop, and I was asking one of the workers there about, you know, lions and stuff like that.

[00:20:32] And he was like, yo, this lines. Cause he was saying like, well, we stayed at not too far from nothing. He was like, you could walk down there at the end of the day. You could pretty much all of the big five, which mean Buffalo. Uh, cats lion, the leopard and the elephant stuff like that. So he was like, you’ll see that right down the street from here at certain times of the day.

[00:20:53] And then I asked him about the lion. He was like, you really want to see the line because they kind of liked the ambulance spray. So he [00:21:00] said, they’d be there. He said, but you don’t see them. They kind of like in the Bush stolen at this point, the race I’m kinda like I’m by myself. And I passed one of them water stations, where I got the packet set and I’m walking.

[00:21:13] And one of the guys at the station was yelling at me. I’m like 200 meters away. Now he telling me, don’t walk, he’s saying, keep going, keep running. And I’m like, why did he not want me walking now during the race? I got like people with the walking tour. Cause they got the helicopter up trying to spot the animals and see where they are.

[00:21:31] And uh, I guess they relay information back. So at one point I’m can maybe he wanted me to run because. Yes. Some animals in the area that I don’t need to be walking. So at this point it raised for the first time. I don’t see nobody, nobody come in, nobody’s going no vehicles. And I’m like, man, this is crazy.

[00:21:50] So I still have back jargon. And now I’m hearing stuff out in the brush. Like I’m hearing like animals moving through the brush and with the [00:22:00] elephants, you can hear the elephants and you can tell when they moved and it sounded a little different car. It’s higher because I, so B, so you can tell when it’s an elephant movie, you can tell them when it’s a smaller animal.

[00:22:11] So I’m hearing the rumbling in the bushes and I’m like, man, I don’t came all the way to Africa to get snatched up by a lot.

[00:22:19] Kim: [00:22:19] That’s crazy. Like

[00:22:22] Philip: [00:22:22] I would never run that race again.

[00:22:24] Kim: [00:22:24] You didn’t tear me up for ready to Africa, just

[00:22:26] Philip: [00:22:26] from that story alone. Nah, I’m serious. Like. Uh, Roosevelt Roosevelt Giles. He do races over there all the time.

[00:22:34] And he’d do like this one race over there called the big five race and they run it through safaris and I’m like, man, ain’t no way. And I’m watching his live and he’s saying, well, yeah, the pork rinds and say all the lions on the other side of pork down, I’m like, how does he know they all over there? They got racist over there.

[00:22:52] You can do like the race in Cape town. Is this in inner city and ain’t no, you ain’t got to worry about no lines there. Blood. Like some of them races where they go through like [00:23:00] a Safari type deal. Y’all can have

[00:23:03] Kim: [00:23:03] those, we going to pass on.

[00:23:04] Philip: [00:23:04] I’m gonna pass on them.

[00:23:07] Kim: [00:23:07] So you’re a Boston qualified runner and, uh, you’ve ran the Boston Marathon.

[00:23:14] How many times have you done it?

[00:23:16] Philip: [00:23:16] All, it’s going to only run in 2018. And then I was supposed to run a district, but counseling,

[00:23:21] Kim: [00:23:21] now you ran in the monsoon of 2018,

[00:23:25] Philip: [00:23:25] the monsoon, the blizzard, the sub zero, whatever you want to call it. Now that’s the hardest race I’ve ever done. Like. That day, everything that could have happened happened every time.

[00:23:39] Like the rain, when the cold, I kinda like, like, I actually started having hypothermia around like mile 18 and I got right past 19 and that’s when I had to go to the medical tent and I was in there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, cause [00:24:00] I didn’t know what was happening. I had never had hyper, like I just kept feeling like my muscles starting to cramp and I’m thinking, okay, I’m cramping.

[00:24:07] Cause I’m running. And I’m like, I never had a problem with cramping, but once they hit and uh, I got to the medical center, they still tell me to take off all my clothes and I’m like, what? Then I was like, well take off all the clothes you can. So, and I’m just shaking and shivering. So yeah, so they was like, You know, they’ll have a, the van to come take us all back to the store at line and stuff like that.

[00:24:33] Kim: [00:24:33] Wait

[00:24:33] what?

[00:24:34] What mile was this?

[00:24:36] Philip: [00:24:36] Was like mile right at mile 20. It was past 19. It was right at 20. It was maybe like 200 meters from mile 20. Matter of fact. Cause when I, when I did start back running, I remember hitting my 20, like from there. So yeah, like, so when I first got in there, they were trying to tell me to take off all my clothes.

[00:24:55] They gave me a warm, dry towel, drought. They had like [00:25:00] a chicken broth in there to drink, to try to warm people up. And Ashley, I was just trying to let somebody know what, what was going on and if they could bring something drought to, or back home. Cause when I get in there and they was talking about, they had a band to take us back to the storyline, I was like, nah, I’m not, I mean,

[00:25:20] I didn’t get this far to turn back.

[00:25:22] Shoot. I don’t. Cause you don’t get a medal. You don’t get a finished metal or nothing. So you went to Boston and you got a DNF. I’m like, nah, let’s y’all know how to fight real good. I’m finishing the race. I just need a warm up. But they had that’s the actual, uh, Galen Rupp was in there at 10.

[00:25:39] Kim: [00:25:39] You posted about that on Facebook, right?

[00:25:41] Philip: [00:25:41] Yeah, he was in the tent. He was like right across from him. But at the time I’m not really tripping. I’m trying to, I’m trying to stop shaking, but then I was like, don’t feel bad. Even the elite to having problems, getting them rough. They had moved him at that time to like where they had, like they had different sections.

[00:25:57] So they had like sections with the heaters set [00:26:00] up. And all that. So they moved him over and then somebody else come in and they was just kind of rotating them, but they was new people in there crying. Cause they want little baby to finish this man. I’m like, man, I’m finished. I’m dry socks. And I grabbed a punch over from the, uh, I grabbed it like clear little punch from the medical tent.

[00:26:20] And then I went back out there, but I mean, it was crazy.

[00:26:24] Kim: [00:26:24] And with all of that, what was your finish time

[00:26:27] Philip: [00:26:27] crazy? Cause I just saw that some somewhere five 75, 20 something. Yeah.

[00:26:33] Kim: [00:26:33] So you were in there for a minute?

[00:26:35] Philip: [00:26:35] Yeah, I was there for like two hours. Like, I’ll go back on my garment and I can look and see how long I was inactive.

[00:26:42] And I was like inactive for like, uh, An hour and 51 minutes or something. But after that, I went to this church to meet, uh, a friend of mine that has some dress up. So I had stolen that moving, but I wouldn’t actually race. I was on pace to finish around three hours, [00:27:00] give or take a little bit

[00:27:01] Kim: [00:27:01] that I remember watching that year and following everybody.

[00:27:05] And I. I knew that I would have quit

[00:27:13] anyone who finished blessin in 28 and it was cold too.

[00:27:17] Philip: [00:27:17] Right.

[00:27:19] Kim: [00:27:19] It was freezing. It was raining the whole entire time. And I re I did one race like that. It was a New Jersey marathon, but it was like in may, but you know, it was cold that time too. And I was pulled into the full, but I did the half instead and I was just.

[00:27:34] I could never warm back up and I’m the type of person that doesn’t like to be cold. So I know if I was in that situation, I probably would have got a DNF. And plus then

[00:27:45] Philip: [00:27:45] you would have finished. You’d have been like, nah, I’m gonna finish.

[00:27:51] Kim: [00:27:51] Especially, if you were like a fundraiser, you raise all that money and you

[00:27:56] Philip: [00:27:56] call

[00:27:56] Kim: [00:27:56] no less than the DNF.

[00:27:57] Philip: [00:27:57] I mean, unless you, unless your body just break [00:28:00] all the way down and you just can’t do it. Yeah. Yeah. You’re going to finish that. Right. And it was cool though. Cause you have. They’re still cheering. I mean, the first people that kind of helped me was people that was on the side with the arm roads itself and they tried to keep me dry, keep the Ryan up until they got there with them, with the stretcher.

[00:28:20] Kim: [00:28:20] Did you see this year that, um, for Boston, a lot of the charity runners as they are not being rolled over to 2021, And they want them to raise what they raised before, plus like 25 to 50% more for next year.

[00:28:35] Philip: [00:28:35] Wow. It’s crazy. Like it’s really not fair. I mean, they can just increase the size of the field. If somebody raised that type of money to run the race and Dennis is council, you get to compensate them in some kind of way.

[00:28:49] Kim: [00:28:49] Well, the problem is is that the charities only get X amount of spots. So they have to, you know, if they automatically roll people over, then they lose their [00:29:00] fundraising money for that year, which I can understand, but it’s still not fair. So that run is that raise all that money, like 10, 12, $15,000 to get into Boston and you get nothing out of it.

[00:29:12] Philip: [00:29:12] And that’s what I’m saying. Like the people that raised the money, Hey, they money accounted for them. Good. They should, they should roll them over. Not take away from nature. It’s possible automatically, but on top of whatever it is next year for the field. So, I mean for next year, maybe it’ll be the biggest Boston field over.

[00:29:29] They could do that. I mean,

[00:29:31] Kim: [00:29:31] they’re going to have to do something cause people are gonna. Listen to, it might be protests and riots in the street. Yeah, it’s crazy. Let’s get into your pyramid challenge, which I have named because you don’t have a name for it. So I gave the name for it. So let’s pull off the Kings pyramid run challenge.

[00:29:51] That’s what we’re going to call it. So help me about this challenge.

[00:29:57] Philip: [00:29:57] It was just a way for me to get into somehow. Cause [00:30:00] basically I ran. I was getting ready for all the races I had coming up. I had ran Miami and I come up a little short on my gold time there, but I knew I had Tokyo after that. And then after they counseled Tokyo, it was like, what am I running for?

[00:30:14] You know, there’s no need in training. And so when I went back and looked at my mileage for the month of February, which included, uh, the race in Miami and I looked and I had like 46 miles total for the whole month. And then I looked at Morris and I got like, 48 49 miles. So I’m like two months I ain’t ran a hundred miles and I was like, I was trying to get myself back motivated and I just tried to come up with what to do.

[00:30:40] And in the, and the thing about it, I, I have, I follow a guy out of, on IgG, uh, Tommy Daniel, and he had, he had posted about, uh, he was doing a 10 K a day for like, 10 days or six days, something like that. But I was following him and I watched him make all his posts. And I thought about that. But for me to do something, I gotta be challenged.

[00:30:58] Like, it’s just something I [00:31:00] know I can do. I’m not going to really, I ain’t gonna have no interest in it. So I thought that was cool. So I was just trying to come up with a way to challenge something I got to work for. So at first I thought, well, maybe I run like whatever day of the money is I run that at mile.

[00:31:15] And then I thought I got to thinking about, well, once I get to train. Yeah, no, no, I’m not gonna do that. But actually somebody did do a challenge like that. Once I started my challenge, I looked and I seen somebody doing something wrong whatever day tomorrow is they run him out. That wasn’t for me. Nah, nah.

[00:31:35] So then I just said something about. I don’t know, I just started writing stuff down on paper and I was like, well, well, maybe I can do the number and miles and day. So I started looking at that and I, at first I was going to try to go to like 15 or something like that. But then when I got the adding up how many days that was going to totally be and all that, no, I’m not doing that.

[00:31:55] So 10 was, you know, it’s a good, nice round number. And they [00:32:00] is like 55 days. And I, for me, that’s a challenge cause I’ve never ran more than seven consecutive days. So to have the wrong, uh, 55 days, 385 mile, that’s a lot of miles for me. Some people run a lot of miles.

[00:32:16] Kim: [00:32:16] So let me break down the challenge for those of you listening.

[00:32:19] So he did. One day, of one mile two, two days, two miles, three days, three miles, four days, four miles and so on. So by the time he got to the end of the challenge, he ran 10 consecutive days of 10 miles. So this challenge was 55 days and you did 385 miles over those 55 days.

[00:32:44] Philip: [00:32:44] Yup. So no more, because in the beginning I was doing a little bit more.

[00:32:48] Like I stopped my, watch it too, but I would keep running.

[00:32:51] Kim: [00:32:51] So you built, you had a base already, so you basically just went out and started running the miles, but how did you recover from running all of those [00:33:00] miles? All of those days in a row?

[00:33:03] Philip: [00:33:03] It’s crazy because when you do something like that, then you realize what some of the like running coaches or programs will tell you to do, like find a softer surface to run on.

[00:33:12] You know, run easy on, on certain days. So that was kind of like a recovery for me. Like once it got up to maybe like seven mile and that’s when I had to come off the street and still running, like on the track to where it softer for, and that, that helped out a lot running on the track. So

[00:33:27] Kim: [00:33:27] after mile seven, you ran the miles on the track.

[00:33:29] Philip: [00:33:29] Most, most of my days, I got to like level seven. I was doing most of those miles on the truck. I would do them sometimes on the street or if I was at a run trail, but most of my rides after that was about in my body, I could feel it if I ran on the street morning, like two nights in a row, which especially with the job I get, you know, we on our truck on and off all day.

[00:33:50] Yeah. I had to go to the track to do two. To bait a fan of something to fall straight days.

[00:33:55] Kim: [00:33:55] And you know, people think I’m crazy when they’ll see me, like the throw up double [00:34:00] digits on the track, but I love running on a track. I like run it around and round in a circle. I have whatever I need. It’s right there on the side when I need it, I don’t have to carry anything.

[00:34:08] So, and it feels good to run on the track because the. The surface is so after you don’t get that, you know, constantly making an impact. So,

[00:34:17] Philip: [00:34:17] and it’s it’s level. So you can pretty much, you know what I’m saying? Work on your phone. You don’t have to worry about traffic. You can kind of zone out and just relax and focus on the run.

[00:34:27] I can do, I can do a marathon on Trek five.

[00:34:29] Kim: [00:34:29] Let’s say we’re not going to take it that far.

[00:34:33] Philip: [00:34:33] I’m definitely done both. I’ve done. I think the most miles I’ve done on the truck, it’s like 16.

[00:34:39] Kim: [00:34:39] Yeah, I’ve done up to 15.

[00:34:42] Philip: [00:34:42] I’ve done 16. I think once the cool thing for me though, like where I live at, you know, how, like, if you run from your house, you know, distance and different routes.

[00:34:50] So for me from. From my house to one of the tracks that I run on is like a little four mile. So I can run to the track, jump on the track and do like six [00:35:00] and then run back to the house, you know, and I’ll get 14 miles away. 20 miles. I have, I have I set it up. So sometimes I actually mix it up.

[00:35:08] Kim: [00:35:08] So I’ve seen, um, people bootlegging, alternating taking over your challenge.

[00:35:16] What would you call it

[00:35:18] Philip: [00:35:18] to me? It’s kind of, it’s cool. Cause it’s really just like I did it to motivate myself to get out and do wrong, especially now with no racist. So, you know, when I first saw doing it, I was like, I’m gonna post it every day. And that way it’ll hold me accountable. You know what I’m saying?

[00:35:32] Cause. Now, you know, I’m putting it out there. So people are going to expect certain things. So when I, after the first couple of days with some people that was like, okay, this is cool. Like, I know a Roy Roy Harris from Atlanta, he, he said he was going to try it out. And Marcy got to like the threes. He was saying he might take a day off at the end of each, at the end, each number.

[00:35:56] So. I mean, and then I seen people that said, Hey, I’m going to do it up to [00:36:00] seven. Oh man, I’m not going to let, to run eight miles, eight days, nine, nine, 10, 10. But I’ll take it up to seven. And so now I’ll be, I’ll see it. And I’ll be like, wow, I didn’t know you was doing it. And they’d be like on stage. They’re like, yeah, I’m going to go accept.

[00:36:15] So it ain’t necessarily bootleg and it’s just, they, they see it. It’s a way to motivate them to get out and get some miles. And then, and so this is pretty cool to me. I seen where one lady, she commented on, uh, one of my friends posted to doing it right now. And what she did was she took it and done it backwards.

[00:36:32] So she doing 10 miles for one day. Two days, eight miles to three days. And then she finished with doing one mile a day for 10 days.

[00:36:41] Kim: [00:36:41] Okay. So all of you boot Lakers that are taken over Phillip’s challenge, I’m gonna need y’all to give him credit hashtag Kings pyramid. Okay. We’re going to start hashtagging King’s pyramid on IgE, Twitter, Facebook.

[00:36:55] And you’re going to get your credit because I even saw, um, I forgot the [00:37:00] girl’s name, but she said like through day five. So it was like, You know, one day of one mile, two, three, four, and through five. And I’m like, I think that I could probably do that through day five. That’s like, uh, a good goal to have, if you don’t want to run like a ton of miles.

[00:37:16] Philip: [00:37:16] Yeah. I mean, Ashlyn, man, you get faster doing, at least I did. I felt like it made me a faster run and it was crazy because it was days where I thought, like, I was like, I get to this level, my body going to be burned, but it was actually like, I hit a level and I might be tired for a day. And if I just back off the pace a little bit, and then the next day I get out there and I just started running.

[00:37:40] And then next thing I know my mouth is hitting. It’d be like six feet first mile, six 15, again, I’m like, man, this is still pretty easy. Or I, you like, I’m going to work my way to the left and left. And I could around a sub six minute mile for the last mile. I, the runner 40 some days, three, [00:38:00] nine miles a day.

[00:38:01] And then clock five 20 mile the last mile, it was like, okay. Let’s move on. I’m going to have to use this game whenever racing. Don’t start back just as, as part of my training or whatever. Yeah.

[00:38:14] Kim: [00:38:14] So you work throughout the whole pandemic. So you to you didn’t, I mean, this is like a good challenge for people that were not running the entire time.

[00:38:22] Like for me, I didn’t run for like, March April, I ran like maybe one or two days a week, maybe usually like one day a week. So, you know, I kinda came up with a little challenge myself, which is only like to run a hundred miles this month. Which is not a lot for some, but it’s a lot for me. Cause I only run like three miles a day, three times a week, which is not a lot, you know, I just do the bare minimum to kind of stay in shape.

[00:38:48] But I think your challenge is like a good way to get people motivated to get back into running because it’s hard. We don’t have anything to train for it right now.

[00:38:58] Philip: [00:38:58] Yeah. Like you don’t have a goal, [00:39:00] you don’t know when you’re going to have a concrete race to do. And I mean, so yeah, it’s definitely a way to motivate me to get in somehow.

[00:39:08] Cause I was like, like I say, I would want to people there, I was like, I ain’t gotta race. I ain’t got a friend. Even when I have racist, I mean, it’s rare for me to run a hundred miles in a month.

[00:39:17] Kim: [00:39:17] So what’s on your schedule for the rest of the year where you’ve registered for any other races.

[00:39:24] Philip: [00:39:24] I had registered to pace a couple of races.

[00:39:26] Uh, I thought about doing a New York. In November and just trying to, so for me, it’s like gold. Like I got like a time in my head I want to get, so I was going to like, look up races to do, uh, just try to see if I could PR or hit my goal time or whatever. But as of right now, I mean, I’ve looked at a couple of words.

[00:39:53] They might, they seem like they knew to all that pretty much she would happen. So I’ve looked at [00:40:00] someone else. The problem with them, they’re like a down here. I don’t know if I want to do it down here though. Okay. I have the racist beat your body up. Pretty good. So,

[00:40:09] Kim: [00:40:09] well, I am an, I haven’t really announced this anywhere yet, but I’m an ambassador for the route 66 marathon.

[00:40:18] Philip: [00:40:18] Have you heard of it?

[00:40:20] Kim: [00:40:20] Yeah. So they’re pretty confident that the race is going to happen because they’re like pretty much open.

[00:40:28] Philip: [00:40:28] So what, what’s the date?

[00:40:30] Kim: [00:40:30] So it’s November 21st. So the 22nd, it’s like a whole, you know, weekend and have the marathon and a half on Sunday. And then they have like a five K 10 K on Saturday.

[00:40:43] Philip: [00:40:43] Yeah.

[00:40:43] Kim: [00:40:43] You know, I have a coupon code. It’s a straight cam, 2020, I think. Or 2020 street Kim.

[00:40:52] Philip: [00:40:52] I was going to wait till we got out and got off the record as for the hookup.

[00:40:57] Kim: [00:40:57] Okay. I’ll put the coupon code on the [00:41:00] screen and I’ll leave it down below. Inside the stray came in 20, 20 or 20, 20 straight cam. I can’t remember, but I mean, if things open back up and you know, it’s okay to travel, I’ll probably do, uh, the route 66 marathon, Oklahoma.

[00:41:12] How far is that from you?

[00:41:14] Philip: [00:41:14] Oh, I can drive it out. That’s probably like three hours.

[00:41:18] Kim: [00:41:18] Oh, so that’s perfect.

[00:41:19] Philip: [00:41:19] Yup. Yup. Yup. I’ve seen donate rice before.

[00:41:22] Kim: [00:41:22] Now. This will be my first year. You know, I saw that lash and I was like, this is like a, it looks like a pretty dope race. So yeah, I’m an ambassador this year.

[00:41:32] Philip: [00:41:32] So you are ambassadors for racing, never.

[00:41:35] Right.

[00:41:35] Kim: [00:41:35] You know, races are looking to like diversify their ambassadorship. So hence me and a couple of other Brown folks that are on the team now. So we’ll see. It should be fun. I’m going to try, you know, I’m trying, I don’t want people to register for a race. That’s not going to happen. So I really haven’t been putting it out there like that.

[00:41:56] I’m trying to wait and see how things go. But [00:42:00] for now it’s a goal. We’ll see what happens.

[00:42:02] Philip: [00:42:02] Yeah. Cause see, I’m, I’m definitely one of them people I signed up for a race the day of the race. Like I signed up, I’ve signed up for so many races, like 10 minutes before the race store and left the paper and didn’t run I’m soon, especially if it’s like a 10 K or five K.

[00:42:19] Not giving them my money, therefore I don’t even know running it. So

[00:42:24] Kim: [00:42:24] listen, I’ve learned my lesson now. I mean this year, luckily I didn’t register for a lot of races. The only one that I’ve lost money on is, um, rock and roll Seattle. Which they haven’t told us if it’s postpone. I mean, it’s obvious it didn’t happen.

[00:42:38] It was two weeks ago, but they haven’t given us a refund. They haven’t said a new date, nothing. We’re just like in limbo, but I know a lot of people have lost a lot of money on cancel races this year. So I’m being of that mindset. I’m not registering for a race. And so like a month of the race, not the day up,

[00:42:57] Philip: [00:42:57] not that they have

[00:42:58] Kim: [00:42:58] the month of the race.

[00:43:00] [00:43:00] So, what were you doing? Um, the race just this year in Atlanta

[00:43:04] Philip: [00:43:04] at first, I was like, I might show up and then, you know, that race is one, I just drive at night before I’ve done a race two years in a row last year. I just paced both times. I’ve drove straight to the race basically.

[00:43:18] Kim: [00:43:18] Well, you know, they just sent out notice that it’s canceled.

[00:43:21] Philip: [00:43:21] Did they sign up? Yeah, I wasn’t, I wasn’t signed up for it, but man, I don’t think no race is going to happen. Like once Tokyo council, I knew Boston wasn’t going to happen. Uh, London, I knew they was going to council and then, you know, they supposed to let us know. But at the end of this week, about what they going to do, uh, in October, But London.

[00:43:42] Yeah.

[00:43:43] Kim: [00:43:43] Yeah. Cause you know, they just canceled a race and Wales. That was the same day a half marathon.

[00:43:49] Philip: [00:43:49] I do think London is going to try to run the elite

[00:43:51] Kim: [00:43:51] though. I don’t know what they’re gonna do. It’s just, um, you know, and you did you to charity for London, right?

[00:44:03] [00:44:00] Philip: [00:44:03] I knew somebody that gave me a spot from a marathon tour.

[00:44:08] Kim: [00:44:08] Really,

[00:44:11] but I did charity for London and my charity gave me a hard time about deferring

[00:44:16] Philip: [00:44:16] and Oh yeah.

[00:44:19] Kim: [00:44:19] And I know people that they haven’t even deferred. So that’s going to be a whole nother episode in and of itself. I’m going to talk about that in detail, but yeah, a lot of charities, they don’t want to defer people because they’re losing their fund raising money for the next year.

[00:44:33] Philip: [00:44:33] I thought about that. Cause I know like. Even with marathon tool is they ask us if we want to defer. Cause you know, London put it out there. You could defer to, uh, 20, 21 or 2022, you know, cause a lot of people may not feel like traveling during this whole situation. And I told him not to. I was like, if they gonna have the race, you know, I’m going to do it.

[00:44:55] So now I’m wondering if they counseled the race in October. Last you will get the [00:45:00] option to defer. I don’t know.

[00:45:02] Kim: [00:45:02] Did you pay through marathon tours or did for the race?

[00:45:06] Philip: [00:45:06] Yeah.

[00:45:06] Kim: [00:45:06] Directly to marathon tourists or to London

[00:45:09] Philip: [00:45:09] do marathon?

[00:45:11] Kim: [00:45:11] I don’t know what’s going to happen. Cause you know, I’m New York city for their races.

[00:45:15] You can either defer and pay again.

[00:45:19] Philip: [00:45:19] Or

[00:45:19] Kim: [00:45:19] get your money back, which it seems like a lot. That’s the option for a lot of the big races. So

[00:45:25] Philip: [00:45:25] if they cancel London, I just want my money back. They get my money back. I ain’t really sure, like, I think probably next year, uh, whenever all this stuff over with, and I was going to start to run running some of the smaller races anyway.

[00:45:39] So I’m going on bigger races is cool, you know, to be around the excitement and the people, but it ain’t what they charged you for the night. I see.

[00:45:48] Kim: [00:45:48] And once you’ve been doing it for a while, it kind of loses its luster. You know, you have your favorites that you always come back to, but yeah, I feel the same way I’m going to try to do, like, if I, between [00:46:00] running the States, like more local races with local companies who donate money to good causes, Let me flip before we go.

[00:46:07] I want to ask you what, um, what’s like the feeling like in, um, Arkansas right now w where you are like with the black lives matter movement with the death of a Mart or Bree George Floyd, what’s going on there.

[00:46:22] Philip: [00:46:22] Uh, it’s definitely a protest. I mean, it’s definitely something they talking about. It’s crazy because most white people like, like shocked it at the level of racism in the country.

[00:46:35] So the first time they’ll want to say they want, it seems like they want to get approval from somebody black. Did they not racist? Like the first thing they do, they want to talk to somebody black about it. Of course there’s talk against it. They not forward it. And it’s almost like the first thing they want to do is kind of clear their own unconscious.

[00:46:54] Which, I mean, if, if you’re not speaking out, I mean, Even if you never [00:47:00] used the N word, if you’ve been around somebody, one of your friends that use the N word when describing somebody, but, and you don’t correct that person, then you pull her the problem, you call it a problem. So, I mean, I think, I think things are definitely going to change.

[00:47:19] I think a lot of people have been woken up and I think it’s a lot of people just really not like racist like that. They may have not knew it was at that level because they don’t do it. I mean, even though they’re not racist, they still so-called white privilege to where, you know, when they get pulled over by the police, it’s going to be a whole different set of circumstances once they also come to the window where, so when he come to my window, he see me as a black male.

[00:47:45] I fit the description, even though it may not be a crime that went on his, his dealings with black males is going to be negative. So his, when he first seen me. He’s going to see that I’m a black male and his, his attitude and his thought [00:48:00] process is going to be negative. So it’s not my job. But the first thing I do is try to automatically try to make a connection with this officer to where he knows that I’m not a threat.

[00:48:11] Cause like that’s the problem. Like my white officer pulled over a white male, a white female. And when they also pulled that person over. That white officer seeds, his brother, a seasoned son, his daughter, his sister, where? So when, when he pulled me over at T I don’t have no interaction with black people outside of work.

[00:48:33] And the only action he had with a black person at work is when I’m picking up somebody for a warrant or a drug arrest, or it’s been a shooting and, and he sold his, I mean, his attitude might be negative just because of that. So the first thing I do is try to make some type of connection with him and let him know I’m not a threat.

[00:48:53] Like I run at night and I’m like, I will run it. 1:00 AM 2:00 AM and be out running. And I see police all the [00:49:00] time, like in the area I live in. It’s it’s patrol pretty heavy. It’s a lot of people running, like coming to Sherwood because of it. But I haven’t, I have never had really like a problem. Like it was like one time I was at the school on the track running about two o’clock in the morning and the police was in the parking lot and they, I saw them behind my car with the lights and stuff.

[00:49:21] And so I was on the track and I put my phone up with the light on and you let them know, Hey, I’m on the track. And he called for backup. And when I got off the track, he was there. And I’m soaking wet

[00:49:32] Kim: [00:49:32] back up.

[00:49:33] Philip: [00:49:33] Yeah. Oh, Sherwood that’s that’s that’s like protocol here. They never pull your one. It’s always two cops.

[00:49:39] Never going to get probed by one. It’s just a safety thing for them. I get so. When I come off the truck, you know, he asked me, what was I doing? I’m like, I’m like running. I mean, I’m sweat.

[00:49:53] Kim: [00:49:53] Look, you have the same story that they, that Derek told on this show three weeks ago, [00:50:00] he said a cop came out to the basket, but he’s still, it he’s like I’m in my running clothes.

[00:50:03] I was sweaty. I was running like, what did they think you were doing?

[00:50:07] Philip: [00:50:07] I don’t know. So Danny asked to see my ID and stuff and I’m like, it’s in the car. No, I can get it out for you. And then I got my idea. And why did he run my ID? I think I took a picture of a selfie in front of his cop car with the lights on and stuff, but I mean, it was cool, but see, now when they see me, they asked me like, what race are you training for?

[00:50:28] Or they’d be like, man, I just saw you way up in town. Now you way back out here. I like, yeah, I got a marathon coming up, blah, blah, blah. And then they’d be like, wow. So it’s kind of cool now. So now when I see him, it’s like built plastic light. So they’ll give me the sign. Cause they know I run in late at night.

[00:50:45] Kim: [00:50:45] That’s because they know you now, but the next black man that might not be too happy to get approached by an officer when he’s just running, you know, getting his fitness on, you know, the outcome might be different, which is,

[00:50:59] Philip: [00:50:59] let’s see, [00:51:00] I’m hoping if they have an interaction with me. And the interaction with me is pleasant.

[00:51:05] Then maybe the next black guy to have the interaction with it will be.

[00:51:11] So, I mean, I look at it like that too, is that I’m going to tell you what not as my, my baby girl covering look, she can say, where were you at? Daddy

[00:51:22] Kim: [00:51:22] cell phone has a house phone ring as the ring.

[00:51:26] Philip: [00:51:26] Nah, not close buddies. It’s up to my, uh, my speaker. I was listening to some music, but I got a, I got a beef with you, man.

[00:51:35] What did I do? Alright. When I was on, like, when I got the level 10 or the challenge, I went to the track, I’m running at the track and I’m listening to a podcast where you had, like, you was talking about this and talking about running wild, black, and I’m on the track and I’m zoned out and I get sprayed by a skunk.

[00:51:56] Kim: [00:51:56] I read that story.

[00:51:59] Philip: [00:51:59] And I’m listening to, [00:52:00] I was listening to the podcast where you had James on, you had, uh, the other guy from, uh, black runners connection, Devon. And it was a lady on there and I’m like, I’m just zoned out. Cause I’m listening to everybody experienced. And I get like a little bit past my warrant and I see something like, I feel something brushed up against my, my, if you run on a track, your left leg is going to be on the inside of the track.

[00:52:32] So I feel something brush up against my left foot and immediately I’m looking down. And by that time I looked down, I see something black with a white Stripe and then my right foot goes right up under it. And at that point, I’m knowing what it is. So I just kind of hurdle and just shoot off. And by that time I could smell it and I’m like, dang, I got a spray bus gone.

[00:52:55] So I run a little bit more and I didn’t smell it. And by the time I make the other left, when [00:53:00] I get back around where the incident happened, I could smell it again. I was like, okay, maybe cause he sprayed over here and I got my phone out. So I flipped my light on, on the track and I didn’t see it no more.

[00:53:11] So eventually I just kept running and then. Towards the end. I was like, I wonder if she gave me a father moved fast enough and I stopped running. I walk off the track, managing the smell, just hit me.

[00:53:22] Kim: [00:53:22] Ah, that’s girls.

[00:53:25] Philip: [00:53:25] Wait,

[00:53:26] Kim: [00:53:26] I forgot. What happened? Did you get in a car with your funky clothes?

[00:53:29] Philip: [00:53:29] Nah. Nah, I took my clothes.

[00:53:32] I was like, I drove to the house of my underwear. I tied my shoes up and hung up the car with my socks and I brought my shoes back in the house. Now they, they smell free, but the socks still smell like, so

[00:53:47] Kim: [00:53:47] you could throw those out, like, you know,

[00:53:49] Philip: [00:53:49] yeah, I probably will. I probably will. Yeah, I blame it on somebody.

[00:53:55] Kim: [00:53:55] Look, the show is that good? It had you in the zone, so you’re [00:54:00] welcome.

[00:54:03] Okay. Last question. Before we go, how does a young fella from Arkansas become an Eagles fan? Cause I see that old ugly Eagles hat in the background and you’re wearing an Eagle shirt. How the heck does that happen?

[00:54:22] Philip: [00:54:22] Ma uh, like I said, I grew up in Newport, which is North East corner of the state and they got to college not too far from the Arkansas state.

[00:54:31] And Fred Barnett was a star receiver at Arkansas state and he ended up going to Philadelphia. I’m playing. Also Keith Jackson was some little rock and he ended up playing there. I

[00:54:42] Kim: [00:54:42] don’t know if any of those people are

[00:54:45] Philip: [00:54:45] right. You probably don’t. Well, do you know who Randall Cunningham is? No. Randall Cunningham was one of the first black pool.

[00:54:52] It’s in the lien, Michael Vick, before Mike. And they was one of the few teams that had a black quarterback. So, and everybody at my school, [00:55:00] Dallas Cowboys, man. So I didn’t want to go with the crowd. I had to go against the grind, so to speak. So I became an Eagle fan.

[00:55:07] Kim: [00:55:07] Well, Dallas is closer to Arkansas then.

[00:55:12] Philip: [00:55:12] Yeah. It’s close to the Arkansas. Jerry Jones is from Arkansas and everybody here was cowboy, except for me, I was with the Phillies. They had the brothers on my squad that I knew. So I stuck with it now. I also I’ll forget, like maybe like ninth grade, we had to do a, we had to do a school project. You’re right.

[00:55:33] Like three different sports friends or Fairfield letter. And they sent me the most stuff back. They sent me a whole lot of stuff back. And so I thought that was pretty cool also. So I’ve been a fan ever since.

[00:55:45] Kim: [00:55:45] So when, um, the Eagles come to New York and play the jets or the giants, they both suck whichever one

[00:55:53] Philip: [00:55:53] I got,

[00:55:56] Kim: [00:55:56] but I’m gonna make sure that I go to that game and I’m going to take a picture [00:56:00] and send it to you.

[00:56:01] Philip: [00:56:01] I’ll tell you what we’re going to make a bet. When the Eagles played exists all the time. We, I know we planned the times this year. I don’t know if we playing the jets, but we played the giants. We’ll make a bet. I to come up with something

[00:56:13] Kim: [00:56:13] let’s say I don’t bet.

[00:56:15] Philip: [00:56:15] I like to

[00:56:17] Kim: [00:56:17] know that’s a losing bet right there.

[00:56:23] Let’s say I vote for the home team all the time. New York Knicks, they suck, but they’re the home team, the nets, they’re the home team. I’m down for the home team, but I’m not wagering anything.

[00:56:35] Philip: [00:56:35] Nothing. Not even, not even a candy bar, nothing, a Gatorade

[00:56:40] Kim: [00:56:40] chill. I like iterate and candy bars.

[00:56:47] Philip: [00:56:47] See, we could bet a blue Gatorade of the Johns when I got to send you a blue Gatorade

[00:56:52] Kim: [00:56:52] and wait.

[00:56:52] So wait, when are they playing?

[00:56:54] Philip: [00:56:54] You want me to look the schedule up?

[00:56:56] Kim: [00:56:56] Yeah,

[00:56:57] Philip: [00:56:57] let me see. We’re on the schedule real [00:57:00] quick. I want to say we play in October, maybe like the first meeting.

[00:57:08] Kim: [00:57:08] Okay. So here’s the wager if they play and October and New York wins. I got you for a spot for the New York city marathon.

[00:57:22] Philip: [00:57:22] It’s going to be council

[00:57:23] Kim: [00:57:23] if it’s not canceled.

[00:57:25] Philip: [00:57:25] Okay. Okay. I’ll take that.

[00:57:28] Kim: [00:57:28] If I win, you have to pay for my registration for what’s that race with the big of

[00:57:37] Philip: [00:57:37] the little rock marathon? Yes. Okay.

[00:57:42] Kim: [00:57:42] You heard it here. First people.

[00:57:46] Philip: [00:57:46] Okay, but that’s a bit, but can I modify it just a little bit?

[00:57:52] Kim: [00:57:52] Why you went 20, 21?

[00:57:54] Philip: [00:57:54] Nah, nah, nah. Like if they cancel it, can we just roll it [00:58:00] over to the, uh, the Brooklyn? Hey, have you know, I’ve never done the Brooklyn hair.

[00:58:04] Kim: [00:58:04] I got you for the Brooklyn half.

[00:58:06] Philip: [00:58:06] Okay. That’s that’s a bit, that’s a bit, I even throw in the cause, you know, little rock, they got the challenge middle tooth. So if you do like the marathon,

[00:58:18] Kim: [00:58:18] wait, hold up, hold up, hold

[00:58:19] Philip: [00:58:19] up.

[00:58:20] Okay.

[00:58:20] Kim: [00:58:20] The marathon two and a half.

[00:58:23] Philip: [00:58:23] Okay. So I got that. You can do the half and like the five K if you do both, you get an extra metal. I’ll make sure I get you signed up for that,

[00:58:31] Kim: [00:58:31] that I can do.

[00:58:33] Philip: [00:58:33] That’s a bit.

[00:58:34] Kim: [00:58:34] It’s a bet.

[00:58:39] All right. So I want to thank mr. Phillip King for being on the show. It was so good to have you on, um, let our listeners know your social so they can go follow you and see what you’re up to with your, your running and your family. He has wait, hold up. Are you, what’s your status? Are you [00:59:00] single in a relationship?

[00:59:02] Philip: [00:59:02] I’m saying

[00:59:03] Kim: [00:59:03] he’s single ladies. You heard it here first. He is single and ready to mango. So. What’s your social? What’s your Instagram.

[00:59:13] Philip: [00:59:13] Instagram is peaking 76. He came duck 76.

[00:59:19] Kim: [00:59:19] So

[00:59:21] Philip: [00:59:21] yeah, it’s kind like, uh, it’s it’s a long story. It’s a, it’s a nickname from, from high school. It’s a nickname. My high school football coach gave me.

[00:59:29] So when I was registering for Instagram was a bunch of Philip Kings and I couldn’t get nothing sticks. I said teaching 76. So we’re picking ducks 76.

[00:59:40] Kim: [00:59:40] Okay. So he’s Pkingduck76. I’m going to leave his sample below slide into his DMS easily. He’s waiting for you ladies to hit him up.

[00:59:51] Philip: [00:59:51] Oh my goodness. But yeah.

[00:59:53] So on Facebook, it’s just Philip King and that’s the one L

[00:59:58] Kim: [00:59:58] Oh, you giving out the Facebook [01:00:00] address to

[01:00:00] Philip: [01:00:00] you set up my social media presence. That’s all I got.

[01:00:03] Kim: [01:00:03] Right. All right. So thank you again for love for being on the show. And I will see you guys on the next episode of the round wave podcast. Later. Thank you so much for tuning into the show.

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