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[00:00:00] Kim: [00:00:00] Closing out the wrong crew series is a black girls do run the UK.
[00:00:14] Okay. Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Run Wave Podcast. I am your host Kim. If this is your first time tuning in and welcome to the family. If you are a return listener, welcome back. I truly appreciate you tuning into the show week after week, if you haven’t already done. So be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast app so that you are notified each and every time I upload.
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[00:01:05] The UK, they are, of course, in the United Kingdom, London base. And they are a group of black women who have come together for health and fitness. And it’s just to provide a running outlet or black woman who would like to run in the city of London. I chatted with the founder Tasha and we’ll see. So group member, Annie, and they gave me a little insight into why they created the group, how they keep the group going during this pandemic and their plans for the group moving forward.
[00:01:37] Let’s see what they had to say. Welcome to the shell Pasha and Annie of black girls do run UK. Welcome ladies.
[00:01:53] Tasha: [00:01:53] Yeah.
[00:01:53] Kim: [00:01:53] Good.
[00:01:57] Tasha: [00:01:57] Yeah, we’ve got, we’ve got good for in London [00:02:00] in London is pretty much temperamental by as good today. It’s been good this week, actually.
[00:02:04] Kim: [00:02:04] I know I watch my London bloggers and they’re, they’re always complaining about the weather. Like one day it’s frigid, when they had snowing one day, it’s beautiful.
[00:02:13] They like, they don’t know what, what the weather is from day to day, but I’m glad you guys have a beautiful day today. It looks great.
[00:02:23] Tell me a little bit about yourselves. I’ll start with Tasha. Where are you originally from
[00:02:29] Tasha: [00:02:29] Tasha? Born in London. My parents are from Jamaica. Um, have been running for 22 years. I’ve got two children, a girl, age 13 and a son age 10. And I work in a hospital and I managed a private practice of a Pharmac surgeon.
[00:02:51] Kim: [00:02:51] Interesting. Andy, what about you? Yes, I’m Annie.
[00:02:56] Annie: [00:02:56] I’ve been wanting since school days. Um, [00:03:00] so around. Uh, so around 11, 12 in like County trials, but consistently for the last two years. And that’s been encouraged primarily by Tasha, I would say, um, what I do for live in, I work as project manager in digital, um, Analytics and data science.
[00:03:22] So anything to have artificial intelligence, machine learning. That’s pretty much what I do. Um, I have one child, uh, he’s 22 years old. Uh he’s in university.
[00:03:36] Kim: [00:03:36] Yeah. I’ll see this video later, but she looks 25 years old. So she has it. You have a 22. Mm.
[00:03:44] Annie: [00:03:44] Uh, not quite
[00:03:45] Kim: [00:03:45] double it, but yeah. Wow. That would be about, well, you look amazing, girl. Let me see you look amazing. Okay. Black don’t crack. And you’re a prime example of this. Thank you. [00:04:00] Are you originally from London as well?
[00:04:03] Annie: [00:04:03] yes. Um, so born and raised in London. Um, my parents are from the Caribbean, so Jamaica, so Natasha, um, my mother’s family also has roots in Cuba. So.
[00:04:16] Kim: [00:04:16] But there, it seems like every, um, black person that I speak with from London, UK area, their background is either Caribbean or African background. Is that like, like how many, like in America where like African-American, what would you call like a British person that’s born in the UK?
[00:04:43] Tasha: [00:04:43] Yeah, we don’t call ourselves African British.
[00:04:48] Kim: [00:04:48] Like I told myself black, I don’t like the term African-American I’m just black, but what, what do, what terms do you use there? Let’s say the same.
[00:04:59] Tasha: [00:04:59] Yeah. [00:05:00] So you have a black Caribbean then in which country or black African, and which country like Ghana, Nigeria, Sierra Leone.
[00:05:11] Kim: [00:05:11] So are there a lot of like just black, British,
[00:05:17] Tasha: [00:05:17] not many yet
[00:05:23] you don’t meet like there’s one in or there’s one in our group. Patching, Sasha. Her parents are born in England, but that’s quite unusual.
[00:05:36] Kim: [00:05:36] What part, what part? Cause I know like London is the main city, but most people, not, most people, a lot of people don’t live in London. So where are you guys based?
[00:05:49] Tasha: [00:05:49] So when I’m in Northwest London, which is near you, must’ve heard it, you probably had a Webley stadium.
[00:06:00] [00:06:00] Kim: [00:06:00] So you’re in London proper almost. Yeah,
[00:06:05] Tasha: [00:06:05] not considered like central London. It’s still the aspects of London, but it’s not, it’s not far away from central London, quite intimidating to central London,
[00:06:17] Kim: [00:06:17] but you’re not in the
[00:06:17] Tasha: [00:06:17] countryside. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is not the countryside. What about you? Annie?
[00:06:27] Kim: [00:06:27] I’m
[00:06:27] Annie: [00:06:27] in South London. So I’m not far from a place that most people do know. Good works. So
[00:06:37] that’s yeah, I’m not that far. Okay. I’ll come on as well. Let’s say it’s about
[00:06:42] Kim: [00:06:42] less than 10 miles. Okay, so that’s not bad at
[00:06:45] Tasha: [00:06:45] all.
[00:06:50] Yeah. Well, we’ll probably get to the central London about four miles.
[00:06:56] Kim: [00:06:56] So it seems for runs and miles is [00:07:00] far like we would have to get on the bus at the transom when I’m running 10 miles.
[00:07:09] Okay. And, uh, you must be one of them. Speed runners. If you’re going to run 10 miles in London. No, no,
[00:07:18] Annie: [00:07:18] I think I’ve started to enjoy longer distances because we’ve had so many restricts.
[00:07:36] Kim: [00:07:36] Black girls do run the UK. Kasha. Why did you want to start a running group that was catered to black women?
[00:07:47] Tasha: [00:07:47] Well, I’ve been running when I started it two years ago, but 20 years, but I always loved one, always loved racing. Whenever I went to race, those always like, [00:08:00] I literally count how many black people were at the races.
[00:08:04] And I still
[00:08:05] Kim: [00:08:05] do that today, men
[00:08:10] Tasha: [00:08:10] still it, and there was never many black women. Like I’ve got this photo of me. I don’t know. It’s an old photo, but it’s in a race and it looks like I’m being chased by a hundred white women.
[00:08:28] Kim: [00:08:28] Okay. So,
[00:08:29] Tasha: [00:08:29] um, there was, yeah, there was never many black women and an officer 20 years. I’ve just fought. Do you know what I’ve been running for 20 years? I’ve loved it. They understand why more black women don’t do it. But in the magazines and the media, you don’t see buddy Newman when we went to live with good at elite level, because we have life, the amazing sprinters from the USA and the Caribbean.
[00:08:54] And we have the amazing long distance. One is from East Africa, but they didn’t see many [00:09:00] like normal women who are juggling work, job family, managing a home running. So. I decided to try and do Suffolk about it. And initially started with just wanting to, um, increase imagery of normal black women in like, not one that’s particularly fast or was gonna win the race or anything like that, but just.
[00:09:26] Regular black women running for her health, physical health, mental health, and just to lead a healthy lifestyle. That’s literally how it started. Yeah.
[00:09:39] Kim: [00:09:39] So your name is similar to BGR, which is black girls run in the United States. Did you take it, did you know about that group when you started
[00:09:48] Tasha: [00:09:48] so good? I knew about them for some years before, and I always thought it was amazing.
[00:09:52] I always fought. Wow. Why can’t we have something like that here. So I would say it’s pretty much inspired by [00:10:00] November. Obviously it didn’t want to have exactly the same name as them, but love their names. Cause literally it says what it is. There’s no mistake in what it’s about, who it stands for, what its goals are.
[00:10:15] So because we were in the UK and because. Probably not in London is always this kind of narrative of like, Oh, well, black people don’t do this. And black people, we don’t swear. We don’t ski. We don’t, there’s just all these things that we don’t do. That’s why I came up with black girls do one UK. Because even when I was telling my friend, I’m going to start this Instagram page for black girls to run your case, you went, well, we don’t, we don’t want, there’s always this thing that we don’t, there are certain foods that we just don’t do, but.
[00:10:48] It’s not a black or white thing. It’s a people thing. I don’t understand why we can’t do it. So yeah, that’s where it starts to be about. I will follow black [00:11:00] girls. Do you want. Before Instagram even existed actually, when it was just Facebook and always for Oh, wow. Imagine, look, who is, that will be running together.
[00:11:10] How amazing is that? I can’t even find one black woman so that I would say that they are very much like
[00:11:21] to start the group.
[00:11:23] Kim: [00:11:23] That’s only in the UK. That’s the story everywhere. Like black people, like I
[00:11:33] Tasha: [00:11:33] wish I could say I did.
[00:11:38] Kim: [00:11:38] Well, we are the minority in those sports. So like you said, you know, when we go to, when I still go to races, I count how many black people, period, not even women, black people are there because it’s still not a lot of us out there. So it’s great that you started, um, a group for women, you know, where you’re located, but you said [00:12:00] you were running for 20 years.
[00:12:02] Yeah. Were you long distance running, like doing races and things like that?
[00:12:07] Tasha: [00:12:07] So I did my first race in 1919 nine. I think a five kilometer race. I’ve always thought everyone always starts with a 5k race. Adam, I did the London marathon in 2001. So I’ve always watched you tomorrow for what was a charter or to see on Sunday morning on the TV.
[00:12:30] And I always say I’m good to do that one day. And I did in 2001.
[00:12:38] Kim: [00:12:38] So you’re a seasoned runner, cause I’ve really talked to people that have been like big races in 99.
[00:12:46] Tasha: [00:12:46] So it’s really funny. So I it’s roughly 2001 and Annie came down to the race actually to meet me afterwards.
[00:12:56] Come full circle.
[00:12:58] Kim: [00:12:58] Yeah. So [00:13:00] Annie, what role do you play within the group? We’ve
[00:13:04] Annie: [00:13:04] been in the group. Um, I simply just enjoy one in, I think it’s, it’s truly inspired by tasks after seriously, as I mentioned earlier, like it first started at school when you’re taking part of County level and I did everything I’m very active.
[00:13:23] So I did everything from heptathlon to deck tap lawn. So of course the stream and primarily did winter. Um, so like hundred me to four by 100 meter relay all of those types of races actually hated long distance, to be honest, like 800 meters, two months. Yeah. It was a someplace. This, and what I realized is, you know, from being part of black girls do on UK is, is preparation.
[00:13:52] It’s school doesn’t necessarily prepare you unless you. I’ll go into the next level, especially [00:14:00] in UK school, won’t prepare you for that. So you have to find it from outside. I think from being part of the group, it’s been a lot more, you know, the guidance, the tastic age is unbelievable. The tips that she provides.
[00:14:14] Really do health
[00:14:15] Kim: [00:14:15] interventions rolling her eyes, but we’re going to give you a Pat on the back. She wants, I’ve
[00:14:22] Annie: [00:14:22] known her long enough to just ignore it by taking a notice of it. It’s just, she’s so encouraging and it could be the smallest thing. Um, for instance, today I did Jeff Ben never heard of it. But she told us about it in a Tuesday TIFF, and I thought, Oh, okay, let me give it a try.
[00:14:42] Let me see what this is all about. And it was fantastic by the way, opposed to,
[00:14:50] Kim: [00:14:50] um, Oh
[00:14:52] Tasha: [00:14:52] yeah. Cool. Jeff is a man called Jeff Gallaway. Divides that to [00:15:00] make it kind of more comfortable for people to like, do half-marathons marathons. You do like.
[00:15:07] Kim: [00:15:07] What did you call it?
[00:15:10] Tasha: [00:15:10] Jeff thing.
[00:15:19] Kim: [00:15:19] Wait, I thought you were talking about something running in the water or something. So here we call it the Galloway. We call it the Galloway method or the run-walk.
[00:15:28] Tasha: [00:15:28] Okay. Yeah. Jeff Galloway. Yeah.
[00:15:34] Kim: [00:15:34] Why is that
[00:15:36] Annie: [00:15:36] on the Google? Definitely. Can I Google it? Just to double
[00:15:39] Kim: [00:15:39] check? It’s called Jaffin on Google. Yes. Did you see that? Oh, Wikipedia. Did they change it on Wikipedia?
[00:15:46] Annie: [00:15:46] It was all goose. I actually Googled it today because I did just under 10 miles today. And it was under that.
[00:15:53] Kim: [00:15:53] Yeah. I’m going to tell everybody you guys call it Jeff now.
[00:16:01] [00:16:00] Oh my God. You know what? I met Jeff Galloway.
[00:16:08] I met him a couple of times because he, um, I don’t know if he lives in, but he has a running store. A few of them in that area called, uh, festivities. And he’s always there after, you know, you’re a big race at the Greek God, and he’s always there. He, he is such a nice man. Like he’ll stand around and take pictures forever.
[00:16:32] He’s he’s just a doll, but Jeff Finn, next time I see it on the sites and shit, they renamed your method, the Jeff and
[00:16:45] he is, so how long have you two actually known each other?
[00:16:50] Tasha: [00:16:50] Oh
[00:16:55] a long time. Over 20 years. Yeah. [00:17:00] Over 20
[00:17:01] Annie: [00:17:01] years. So
[00:17:03] Tasha: [00:17:03] definitely before I did the London marathon once. Yeah. 97. Maybe that would
[00:17:17] Kim: [00:17:17] make sense. Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah. Well, what was the marathon like in 99? Like, did you have to, how did you get in?
[00:17:30] Tasha: [00:17:30] So I did it in two files. The one, how did I get it? It was still as hard as it is to get it now was hard where I didn’t get it.
[00:17:38] And I did it for a charity. In the end. And, um, how was it? Oh gosh, it was when life thought that it would take the free and a half hours to run it. Not because I’m farther because I didn’t think it was possible to run for longer than that. Right. So, um, four [00:18:00] hours, 56 minutes and 51 seconds. And I cried at 18 miles and.
[00:18:11] It was horrible, but it was probably one of the patients I’ve ever done actually, but it’s, it’s tough. And then like in 2001, we didn’t have Strava. Like wanting club. We didn’t have smart phones. I think Garmin was out, but Garmin was like, it took up your whole waste, please. You’re expensive. So then I just ran for time.
[00:18:41] It wasn’t distance because it was really difficult to measure distance. Like I used to try with the, um, We used to, I think we still have it, but no, we have this book called a to Z, which gives you, like literally tells you all the streets in London feed kind of look at that and figure out, okay, let me get the rule lower [00:19:00] measure, like how, what the difference were Mies and try and figure it out that way.
[00:19:04] But there was this kind of no way of knowing how far you’d run. So that’s why it would take three and a half hours. I think I trained up to. Free hours in the fall. Oh my gosh. I’ve been out like most of the day. Surely like it’s not going to take much longer.
[00:19:21] Kim: [00:19:21] Do they measure the London marathon and miles?
[00:19:30] Tasha: [00:19:30] We’re kind of, we’re kind of, we’re kind of between like some people do miles. Some people do kilometers. I
[00:19:35] Kim: [00:19:35] do mine kilometers.
[00:19:41] Tasha: [00:19:41] Definitely the ones, the ones on the menu, the ones in Europe on the main land will be in kilometers. The UK will probably be between the switch between the two
[00:19:57] kilometers go faster the miles,
[00:20:01] [00:20:00] Kim: [00:20:01] but then you have to run more kilometers.
[00:20:04] Tasha: [00:20:04] Yeah, that’s true. Yeah.
[00:20:08] Kim: [00:20:08] What would you say is the mission of black girls do run UK.
[00:20:16] Tasha: [00:20:16] Ooh, get more black women running. Embrace it, enjoy it. And leave in healthier, happy lives.
[00:20:30] Kim: [00:20:30] And that is good enough.
[00:20:36] Has the pandemic affected your group runs? Because I know London has been in and out of lockdowns this entire time and y’all have been like locked down. Like everything is closed, go nowhere. Like, how has that affected your group?
[00:20:53] Tasha: [00:20:53] So you haven’t been able to do group runs. I think the last one we’d done was, [00:21:00] was last year.
[00:21:03] I don’t remember what it was now. December, maybe October. No, December was, that was my birthday. Yeah. I don’t actually, it was definitely either September or October. We did the last one. December, we did a one for my birthday because there was really not much else we could do. And then literally four fair to my bathroom locked down and we was told we’re going into lockdown again.
[00:21:34] So when we just been doing lots of, kind of virtual stuff, like we have a WhatsApp group, so we all just like post their ones and. It’s brilliant. We post a Vons and we all like say yay. And, um, we do a virtual marathon. Okay. Virtual relay marathon. So we’re all split out. The muzzle hats kind of make it an ultra marathon because so many people took [00:22:00] part.
[00:22:00] So we usually do about five miles and we give people the option that if they can’t one, five miles in one day, they could split it into two or three, but they’ve just got to do it within the week. So we’ve got, you’ve got a week to do these five miles, so that’s really good. It gets people out this month.
[00:22:20] We didn’t do the, um, Relay Marfa. We did a step challenge. So the idea was to hit 10,000 steps or more a day I’ve been doing quite poorly on it. Actually didn’t realize I didn’t walk so much anymore.
[00:22:39] Kim: [00:22:39] It’s hard. It’s hard.
[00:22:43] Tasha: [00:22:43] Especially when you’re at home a lot. When you were at home a lot, it was E before, before pre pandemic in the olden days, I now call them.
[00:22:52] It was, it was much easier now. Not going around so much. It’s a lot harder.
[00:22:59] Kim: [00:22:59] Listen. I remember [00:23:00] how people do 10,000 steps because I’ve run five or six miles. And I still won’t hit 10,000 steps. A lot of stepping around like kudos to anyone who can do 10,000 steps a day. Cause I’ve tried and I fail miserably every time he tried to do it.
[00:23:18] Tasha: [00:23:18] Let me see how many I’ve done today.
[00:23:25] Which is unusual. I’ve got 11,000 today,
[00:23:29] Kim: [00:23:29] but
[00:23:33] Tasha: [00:23:33] yeah, no, I didn’t actually name of the watch. Tell me a few weeks ago that I don’t do much on Fridays. It is so true. That is what is what should be
[00:23:47] on Fridays, but no, I’ve done. Yeah, but I’ve walked, I’ve walked a lot today. Okay. I forgot what it’s about. Fremont
[00:23:59] Fridays. I [00:24:00] struggled to hit it usually.
[00:24:02] Kim: [00:24:02] Yeah. So pre pandemic, how often did you guys meet? Once a month?
[00:24:11] Tasha: [00:24:11] Once a month
[00:24:14] Kim: [00:24:14] in. Yeah,
[00:24:15] Tasha: [00:24:15] once a month, cause we are all in different parts of London, you say, so we’re forced to me once a week, isn’t really feasible. So we try to meet in different central London parks or travel them.
[00:24:30] There’s a few of us that live near to each other. We want, we probably want to give up. Once or twice a week, it’s difficult. Sometimes you’ve got different commitments, work commitments, children, husbands, all different things going on. But once we did once a month,
[00:24:50] Kim: [00:24:50] where at, in London, do you meet up when you meet up?
[00:24:59] Tasha: [00:24:59] We [00:25:00] went to different parks. So we have done Regent’s park. That’s one of the famous world parks, Hyde park and Victoria Park. And then we did Hyde park again. And then w then we locked down.
[00:25:17] Kim: [00:25:17] Yeah. So about how many members do you have at this point?
[00:25:27] Annie: [00:25:27] On WhatsApp and Instagram, couldn’t say
[00:25:34] Kim: [00:25:34] Boo-Man on Instagram. I was looking at your, your press and everything like that. Like you can just have made a splash in these two years on the running scene. Kudos to
[00:25:43] Tasha: [00:25:43] you. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
[00:25:47] Kim: [00:25:47] Yeah, we have. When you created the group, did you find that there weren’t running groups in your area or there weren’t black running groups?
[00:25:57] In your area.
[00:25:59] Tasha: [00:25:59] So [00:26:00] my area there’s always been, there’s been like a running group for, Oh gosh, over 50 years who Queens park Harriers. And I did attend once. Um, It’s really strange. They were really nice, really welcoming, but I didn’t feel like I belonged there, so I didn’t stay long. And plus they were like a proper wedding where they did all these track sessions and they wanted me to do or come to all these different events and different colors work.
[00:26:35] And at a time when I couldn’t come, I was working weekends. Like couldn’t come on the weekends, I just stopped going. And then we have. Somewhat. Cool. Have you heard of good gym? No, I haven’t so good gym is this organization that they’ve different areas all about the country and they run, but they’ll [00:27:00] run like to somebody’s Goddard and dig a hole for them if they need it, order one to get someone’s prescription from the pharmacy.
[00:27:09] So they’re running, but they’re doing good at the same time, a good gym in my area, but you’ll just see them. That could be like loads of them, but just. If you need a job too, and you cannot stand still, but they’ll run back. So their thing is that they’re running, but they’re doing good and giving back to the community while they’re running them.
[00:27:28] And what else is there in the area? We have another group. Yeah, we have. Do you have one over there?
[00:27:40] Kim: [00:27:40] No. I see you guys like a data sponsors app, right?
[00:27:47] Tasha: [00:27:47] Sure if they do
[00:27:49] Kim: [00:27:49] well, a lot of the, um, those runs and they give out everyone has on the same Adidas shirt that those will park run now. No,
[00:27:58] Tasha: [00:27:58] no. That’s I did that.
[00:28:00] [00:28:00] Kim: [00:28:00] Yeah. Okay.
[00:28:02] Tasha: [00:28:02] This one is this amazing, like one that’s the necessity was the necessity in winter before the pandemic. It’s a free. Weekly five kilometer run.
[00:28:14] And every time you do it, you get a tote. You get a time email too. You don’t get a medal it’s free. And there were lots of parks all over the unit. Well, they were kind of worldwide actually. So I’ve got one there. What I found about poplins is I kind of ran the poplin and I’ve volunteered as a marshal there.
[00:28:33] And I live in one of the bar, none that is made up into different borrowers. And I live in one of the most diverse borrowers in London. I’d like to count one hand how many black people would attend. Wow. Yeah. So this call
[00:28:54] Kim: [00:28:54] button is your, you live in one of the more diverse boroughs and they’re like [00:29:00] no black people at the run. Yeah. Count on
[00:29:03] Tasha: [00:29:03] one hand volunteers and I’ve seen, I’ve seen the first one out and I’ve seen the last water black. I’ve literally seen everybody pass them in slow. You can count on one hand how many one is there.
[00:29:17] So I’m trying to think of everyone in groups. We have a double for wanting them in our local parts to encourage. Women in our local community to one, but it’s not less. That’s probably about it in my local area. I don’t know for you, Annie. And you’ve got immense paid wrong for not too far from you. It’s South London.
[00:29:40] Annie: [00:29:40] Yeah, I think similarly, um, we’ve got like learning cups that have been there for years. There’s one called crystal palace learning club, which has been there probably as long as. How he is over 50 years, LA um, not much representation of, um, black women. There are one or two. [00:30:00] Um, it has things like track sessions also.
[00:30:02] So it’s kind of a similar format, but I think for me, they were very welcoming, very inclusive. Um, It was quite that they had like different levels of learning. So they had ones for faster learners, ones for slow honors ones, for people that were new to one end. So it was quite, um, welcoming in that sense, I guess it’s just like anything, if you don’t see people that look like you, sometimes you don’t always feel part of it because yeah.
[00:30:32] What’s your talk about, and that may sound strange, but I think you have a lot of that work where you’re around people that you may not necessarily have things in common, but you’re there to do deliver a job, but running is something that you enjoy doing. It’s a hobby. It’s something that you want to kind of.
[00:30:50] Just be out, be yourself around. And if you don’t have people that kind of look like you have perhaps similar interests culturally, then it does [00:31:00] make it a little bit harder to make an effort to actually go. I would say, whereas with black girls, no question. Happy to go run in because we have so much fun.
[00:31:11] There was this.
[00:31:12] Tasha: [00:31:12] Yeah.
[00:31:17] Kim: [00:31:17] Yeah. You know, and the here, the black girls run in, it’s where I started running and, you know, I went to them so I can run with other black women, but like over time, you know, white women started joining the group. There were white ambassadors, which are the group leads. So how is, are you welcoming of other races in your group or is it simply for black women?
[00:31:44] That kind of turned me off to them actually. You know, cause I went there to, to be with women that look like me and you know, to have that bond. And when that bond was broken, you know, I didn’t feel like that group was homeless for me any longer
[00:32:00] [00:32:00] Tasha: [00:32:00] 50 question, I’m not against any. any board, but I would say black girls do run.
[00:32:08] UK is foremost, first and foremost, primarily that encourage black women to run. And this is not about excluding people. It’s about including more people in wanting. And there was like, I don’t mind going one with a white person and I don’t even mind posting a photo on Instagram with it, but when it comes to stuff like photo shoots and stuff like that, I think it’s got to be representative or.
[00:32:44] I would name and that’s black ghost UK
[00:32:54] Kim: [00:32:54] women in a black girls run shirt. It’s weird. Yeah.
[00:33:00] [00:33:00] Tasha: [00:33:00] Yeah. Um, we’ve got some really like amazing support from some amazing white women and they get what we’re doing and why we’re doing it. And, um, Yeah, but I just think that that’s what it’s for them. Do we have we exist because a lot of like, I could go, cause I don’t care if I’m the only black women, but there’s a lot of black women that do care.
[00:33:28] I don’t want to be the only black man. And that’s why we are here. So. Yeah, I think it needs to be kept for black women because otherwise then we should just be called people do like UK or something. We’d have to take the black out of that. I think if too many what women do doing, we’d be blues in the, um, the reason, but that’s not to say that we can’t do stuff together, but it would have to be a lack [00:34:00] of a black girls do while UK or what in wave.
[00:34:03] Melissa today or something
[00:34:09] Kim: [00:34:09] happy. You said that I’m so happy. You said that because, I mean, it’s, I, I have the same feeling as you like, you know, everyone is welcomed, but when it comes to like the identity and the branding of the group, it should be representative of what it’s named.
[00:34:27] Tasha: [00:34:27] Yeah, cause it’s this, it’s just the, we’re not trying to exclude anybody.
[00:34:32] We’re just tapping into a niche area. That’s hugely underrepresented. And that’s what it is. And by doing this, we’re actually including more people in one and not excluding people. So, um, black women, we have so many women in general, we have so many barriers, exercise, black women probably have 10 more barriers than that.
[00:34:56] Average white woman, perhaps. So [00:35:00] we just need to keep our core focus and focus on black women because we, because I’m a black woman and I understand what it is to be a black woman because I’m living it. And yeah, that’s who I want to encourage because my main reason to be come active was because. When I was probably about 18 when I started to gym and I just saw that as people, black people got older, they developed diabetes, hypertension.
[00:35:33] And I just fought. It doesn’t have to be that way. If we just lead a healthy lifestyle, like all your life, you don’t have to have these diseases. Cause they’re almost known as like black people diseases there in London, it’s known as diseases in the, the diseases that are prevailing in the black community.
[00:35:52] So. I think that Disney’s, we need to end that it just needs to, we need to kind of cut down on both diseases and, [00:36:00] um, just lead healthy lives. Yeah. We know, we love our food, who does it, but we also don’t move enough sometimes. So we just need to. We can enjoy our food to fry chicken, whatever else it is we want to eat and we need to move as well.
[00:36:20] I love your mentors by the way, Kim.
[00:36:22] Kim: [00:36:22] Thank you. I was hoping to add London to the mix last year, and hopefully to look at this from the source, since you guys are in London, what is the feel on the London marathon, October?
[00:36:41] Annie: [00:36:41] I think it’s positive. I didn’t need to. I
[00:36:43] Kim: [00:36:43] mean, there hasn’t been much. I
[00:36:47] Annie: [00:36:47] think it will probably be more professionals again.
[00:36:49] That’s my feeling. I don’t think it would be many.
[00:36:57] Kim: [00:36:57] I don’t know.
[00:37:01] [00:37:00] Tasha: [00:37:01] Cause they would do good. They would, they were planning to do a test race to like test that out, doing a race, like. Last like COVID secure, but they didn’t, they didn’t. Um, and I shouldn’t have even done that yet. There was no kind of, there’s been no kind of on how to book. Cause I want to do the test wise and I’ve got a contact at the London marathon and I asked him, how can I do in the Tesla?
[00:37:27] And he went, actually, I don’t know. I don’t even know if they’ve done it yet. So I think, um, I don’t know, as a test race is not going ahead yet. I’m not sure. And it’s because there’s so many hundreds of thousands of people’s like.
[00:37:49] So yet you were doing the virtual
[00:37:51] Kim: [00:37:51] one?
[00:37:52] Annie: [00:37:52] Yeah, my first
[00:37:53] Kim: [00:37:53] math you’re brave because I don’t think I can do a virtual by [00:38:00] myself. Well, you guys have your group, so it’s not so bad, but. How are you going to,
[00:38:06] Tasha: [00:38:06] I was supposed to do Manchester marathon last year, and that was postponed or canceled. However you want to refer it.
[00:38:13] And me and my friend did it virtually and, um, it was challenging, whereas, okay. You just got to have like one of those backpacks with the water bladder in it, that well snacks. Um, we’ve got, I don’t know, we’ve got this thing called a Kiwi.
[00:38:34] Kim: [00:38:34] Yeah, the machinery it’s this
[00:38:38] Tasha: [00:38:38] it’s like a funnel and it enables you to, we stand it up.
[00:38:55] Kim: [00:38:55] I find a bathroom on the route.
[00:39:01] [00:39:00] Tasha: [00:39:01] So you have to focus like normally on a race, you have toilets, you have water, but when you do it virtually you don’t have any of that support. You have to kind of find alternatives. So the water platter, and she really was the alternative because you can’t be drinkable, cotton, not drink water. And if you drink water, you’re going to need to get rid of it.
[00:39:23] Kim: [00:39:23] Andy, are you subscribing to this?
[00:39:28] I’m one of these people
[00:39:29] Annie: [00:39:29] that when I’m doing long worms, I have to know where the toilets are. I met them out until well though, because I always I’m all full, but this was a marathon so I can understand
[00:39:42] Tasha: [00:39:42] why tests. But then, or public toilets were closed ordinarily. They weren’t, you that’s fun or used to just like nip into McDonald’s or some kind of place like that, but they will all close.
[00:39:56] And if they were open at toilets were closed. So that, that was the [00:40:00] issue. Let’s find a way around that,
[00:40:06] Kim: [00:40:06] going to the bathroom at one of my marathons. And it’s because I drank a lot before. So I went like very early on in the race, but you’d like sweating so much. And I mean, chances are, you’re probably not even going to have to use unless you got to go number two, but
[00:40:22] Tasha: [00:40:22] hopefully in October there’s no, there’s no heat.
[00:40:27] Just to make you sweat.
[00:40:29] Kim: [00:40:29] You still sweat in New York city marathon in November. And it’s not hot. I mean, it’s not frigid yet, but it’s, it’s cool. You know, and yeah, I just hold it to the end because I don’t want to go on those port-a-potties and you made those things to me yesterday.
[00:40:46] Tasha: [00:40:46] Yeah. I loved him. I would have put to these.
[00:40:51] I remember I went into, I went in and I came out.
[00:41:00] [00:41:00] So have there been any ways to use the
[00:41:05] Kim: [00:41:05] new you can use?
[00:41:08] Tasha: [00:41:08] It just gets more gross.
[00:41:13] Kim: [00:41:13] Um, are there any, have there been any racist at all in London, even like small ones?
[00:41:19] Tasha: [00:41:19] Yeah, small ones.
[00:41:22] Kim: [00:41:22] Yeah.
[00:41:22] Tasha: [00:41:22] Yeah. There’s this company called?
[00:41:31] Um, I forgot they had like a couple of weeks ago.
[00:41:44] Um, I’ve heard of a couple of light marathon that trail marathons, like going ahead and stuff like that, but not many,
[00:41:54] Kim: [00:41:54] but are they legit or are they like everyone just come out and we’re going to run this thing? [00:42:00] Are they like permitted? Racist? Yeah.
[00:42:03] Tasha: [00:42:03] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:42:10] Kim: [00:42:10] My hopes high about doing the London marathon in October.
[00:42:17] Yeah, I was supposed to do it last year and then, you know, they moved everyone over, but you know, the charity that I appraise money for, I had a very hard time getting a deferral and then eventually London marathon rolled everyone over. Yeah, but I think something’s up, they just sent me an email asking if I want to defer to 20, 23, not even 22.
[00:42:46] Yeah. They just sent me an email. I’m going to ignore it. But yeah, which I think is strange
[00:42:55] Tasha: [00:42:55] convinced or confident that it’s going to go head here. So for you to [00:43:00] fly from the USA quarantine and then run a marathon. No
[00:43:06] Kim: [00:43:06] cause you guys still have like the two week quarantine in place, right? Yes. Yeah.
[00:43:10] Tasha: [00:43:10] I think about that. If it’s not, it might not be the full two minutes. It might be 10 days, but yeah, that’s still good on you and you’ve got to quality and in our hotel, when you arrive, which cost, like I forget costs 1500 or 1700 pounds.
[00:43:25] That’s like a whole, that’s like a couple of flights.
[00:43:32] Kim: [00:43:32] That’s like my, my after marathon vacation money right there. Yeah. Yeah. Very optimistic about it. But I figured, I asked you guys about us since you’re on the ground there, and maybe you have some insider information, but yeah, I, I had no plans on booking any flights,
[00:43:54] nothing like
[00:43:55] Tasha: [00:43:55] that. This one kit slim, especially because we’re not. [00:44:00] We’re starting to open up to actually, but that’s all dependent on whatever the all rate goes up or where it’s supposed to go. So I don’t know. I opted, I entered the London marathon heart. It really gets it anyway, but I always knew that if I didn’t get in, I was going to apply to be virtually.
[00:44:24] Because then at least if I did it virtual, I know that it’s definitely going to happen because I just didn’t say well that my front door try a one 26.2 miles or not sure how I’m, how much is it?
[00:44:39] Yeah, 42. Yeah. And getting good at knowing the kilometers or miles. Now
[00:44:45] Kim: [00:44:45] I only know it from Berlin because their marathon is in kilometers.
[00:44:49] Tasha: [00:44:49] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:53] Kim: [00:44:53] No, I did Berlin and I did it in,
[00:44:58] Tasha: [00:44:58] I don’t know what
[00:44:59] Kim: [00:44:59] year. [00:45:00] I don’t know. A few years ago
[00:45:03] Tasha: [00:45:03] he came close to us.
[00:45:06] Kim: [00:45:06] I’m terrible with dates. I think 2017, I did it or 18.
[00:45:11] Okay. One of those years.
[00:45:15] Annie: [00:45:15] So that’s something.
[00:45:17] Kim: [00:45:17] What’d
[00:45:17] Annie: [00:45:17] you say you’ll see some math and monitor then. Cause you see it.
[00:45:25] Kim: [00:45:25] Yeah. I’m trying to do the, um, the world majors. So those are the only marathons that I’ve done are the, I’m not doing any other ones for fun. I just want to do the world made. Yeah. Yeah. After that I’m hanging up my marathon shoes. That’s enough for me. I’ll stick to half marathons.
[00:45:45] Tasha: [00:45:45] Yeah, that’s that’s my favorite distance.
[00:45:48] Kim: [00:45:48] Yeah. It’s like, it’s like, I think like a 5k is too short. Like it’s over before it starts 10 K is like a little too long, but a half marathon is like, it’s perfect. You get your legs [00:46:00] under you and you get in your groove. And I love half marathons. I like,
[00:46:04] Tasha: [00:46:04] yeah. I like 5k. 5k is almost like, I’m just. My body’s just warming up.
[00:46:10] Almost it’s finished and 10 K is good, but it’s quite, it’s quite a fast pace race, and I’m not
[00:46:19] Kim: [00:46:19] the 5k. You’re like, why am I still running? And you’re running to the same K
[00:46:26] half marathon. Is that that’s my sweet spot. Yeah. Yeah, me too. So you guys just recently celebrate a year, second anniversary. How is
[00:46:38] Tasha: [00:46:38] that
[00:46:44] two years? No, it was, it was lovely. I mean, couldn’t do that much because of the pandemic, but what we encouraged, one is two, one, two miles, because two and. [00:47:00] We did a virtual party, which was really nice actually, but because of the pandemic, we haven’t met many of the, what is, we just know them virtually or via WhatsApp.
[00:47:12] So it was really nice to put names to faces and we played a cup, played a couple of games and then chatted a bit. I know it was lovely. Did a toast cupcake. Yeah, it was
[00:47:23] Kim: [00:47:23] great on Instagram. It was very cute. I loved it. All the kind of picture of all of you guys and your little squares on the screen. It was cute.
[00:47:36] So do you guys have any plans to have any group runs? Because like people are getting vaccinated now, you know, outside is a little bit open.
[00:47:45] Tasha: [00:47:45] Yeah, definitely. I think.
[00:47:51] The next one that we all think I’d like to do. Like we have to river. Nice one. So [00:48:00] I think we’ll organize one to go from Fox or bridge to tower bridge, which is about between three and four miles. So we try not to do it in the same place because that’s the beauty. That’s what righty. Right in different places, like the spice of one in life, it makes it more interesting to go to different locations.
[00:48:24] So always trying to scope out different locations where we could run, but so I’ve got to like meet certain tick boxes near achieve station, easy to get to and things like that. So, um, but that one had done it before, did it on my birthday. So.
[00:48:43] Kim: [00:48:43] Also like people like explore other areas that they may have, they may live there, but still have never seen, you know, different areas, which I find.
[00:48:53] Yeah, not,
[00:48:56] Tasha: [00:48:56] yeah, because I live near the canal and there’s so many people that live have lived [00:49:00] near me for many years and they’ve never stepped foot on the canal.
[00:49:09] Kim: [00:49:09] That’s good. Cause people just don’t know, you know, and, uh, you know, during the pandemic it’s, it’s gotten as outside a little bit more just to like walk and see different areas. Oh yeah. That’s I love going to different running different routes because it gets boring when the same. Yeah,
[00:49:27] Tasha: [00:49:27] absolutely. Yeah.
[00:49:29] And I love it. Like I ran, so we went into, um, three of us, went to Camden a couple of weeks ago. Oh, it’s lovely.
[00:49:40] Annie: [00:49:40] As well when you’ve gone in a different area, because you’re not so used to terrain as well. So that’s kind of a completely different challenge for you as well.
[00:49:48] Tasha: [00:49:48] Yeah, exactly.
[00:50:00] [00:50:00] Kim: [00:50:00] I don’t think I’ve met anyone that likes running Hills.
[00:50:06] Tasha: [00:50:06] What you prefer speed or Hills
[00:50:11] Kim: [00:50:11] neither.
[00:50:14] Tasha: [00:50:14] If you, if you had a choice, which one would you pick?
[00:50:18] Kim: [00:50:18] If I had a choice run on the track permanently, I love the track, you know, because there’s a routed around, but I like the track because you know what? You don’t get injured on the track. And it’s just, it’s, it’s better on the body.
[00:50:35] That’s why I like it, you know, but if I could, you know, but I would definitely like speed work, um, in the middle, you know, I like a good, a good, yeah. Route running route outside, but just in the middle. I don’t like to go too fast. I don’t like to trails around. I’m never, I don’t run on the trails.
[00:50:54] Annie: [00:50:54] Oh, I love trials.
[00:50:55] I have so many near me now. I, I fell in love with [00:51:00] them. I think last year I just discovered so many woods around where I live and it was amazing, especially when it was warmer because the coolness just being on the trails made it easier for me to run because I’m not very good in heat
[00:51:17] Tasha: [00:51:17] and money. Well, I like trails, but I don’t like mud
[00:51:26] Kim: [00:51:26] Tasha. Like I don’t want my sneakers to get dirty.
[00:51:33] Tasha: [00:51:33] I love, I love the trails. I love like being in nature. Well, dry ground claims.
[00:51:40] Kim: [00:51:40] Yeah. Like I can walk on a trail, but I can’t I’m clumsy. So I’m running on a trail. I fall. So walking trails. Okay. Running trails. No
[00:51:55] Annie: [00:51:55] recently discovered treadmill on in, because I had [00:52:00] never liked
[00:52:00] Tasha: [00:52:00] fitness. The one did you say treadmill?
[00:52:06] Kim: [00:52:06] Excuse me. And
[00:52:09] Annie: [00:52:09] like the first time I ever went someone, I was so certain and just didn’t know how to do it. And I think a lot of it was to do with my footwear. I just didn’t have the correct footwear. I was kind of. Way before black girls do one UK. So I wasn’t even wearing the white shoes and it’s just that education about half and the white equipment, but people think, Oh, you can just run, but you can’t, if you don’t have the right equipment and you’re on a treadmill, you’re on a trail or you on the load can be when does, and it can really put you off from one end.
[00:52:42] I can ask him one of the really positive things from the group that the messages that come through to people is like, if you’re doing trail running, you might have to consider a different shoe or a shoe that kind of. Is good for running and trial so that you’re not put off from the experience because you can find it.
[00:52:59] A lot [00:53:00] of people, you can just disengage in the whole process, especially if they’re new to it versus something like locked down and think, Oh, no, I’m not doing this again. Now that, nah, this isn’t for me. And it could just be something as simple as wearing the wrong shoes that you off.
[00:53:18] Tasha: [00:53:18] I mean, I started one on a treadmill.
[00:53:23] Kim: [00:53:23] I’m doing a challenge
[00:53:27] Annie: [00:53:27] to say it makes me look really fast, that fast.
[00:53:35] Kim: [00:53:35] You know what? I used to hate the treadmill. I used to hate it too, but I got one for Christmas and I ran on that treadmill for four months. I didn’t run outside one time.
[00:53:46] Tasha: [00:53:46] Oh, wow.
[00:53:49] Kim: [00:53:49] Okay. Getting used to, but once you’re used to it, it’s like, I love it now. Yeah.
[00:53:56] Tasha: [00:53:56] So I wasn’t on a treadmill actually. I saw I [00:54:00] wasn’t on a treadmill, but, um, once I go outside and I, I just like, I don’t like what it inside.
[00:54:07] Yeah. I tried to about a year ago.
[00:54:12] Kim: [00:54:12] Are the gyms open there. They,
[00:54:20] you went back debating whether I I’m like scared to go to the gym. I haven’t been since, you know, this whole thing. And I actually joined in lockdown
[00:54:31] Annie: [00:54:31] because I thought there’s nothing else to do. And. I’m saving a little bit of money as I’m not traveling to work and working from home. So I thought why not?
[00:54:41] And the sanitation is very good, but all socially distance, it’s very clean and there’s like restrictions on your mounts to people that can go in. So
[00:54:53] Kim: [00:54:53] yeah, I feel quite safe. Happy.
[00:54:56] Annie: [00:54:56] Yeah, it’s not, it’s a change. I’m going again, deceive in actually I’m [00:55:00] doing a challenge, so I have to get them all soon.
[00:55:04] Kim: [00:55:04] Yeah.
[00:55:06] Uh I’m I’m still, I’m still thinking about it. I don’t know if I’m ready to make that step yet. We don’t
[00:55:12] Annie: [00:55:12] have classes. It’s just, um, it’s just,
[00:55:18] Kim: [00:55:18] yeah, nothing else. I’ll probably be in there with my own, like antiseptic spraying, everything down and they’ll be looking at me like I’m a crazy woman
[00:55:30] these days. Yeah. So tell everybody where they can find you on socials.
[00:55:38] Tasha: [00:55:38] So we are on all the main social media channels, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. And just the black girls do run UK. That’s what we are and everything.
[00:55:53] Kim: [00:55:53] Okay. I’ll follow you on Twitter. I’m trying to get my, um, Twitter presence going. [00:56:00] It was hard.
[00:56:01] Tasha: [00:56:01] that’s what’s up? Yeah. Twice as hard.
[00:56:09] Kim: [00:56:09] Yeah. I’m The Run Wave of on Twitter or straight Kim, but I don’t use it much. I just use it. To promote the show a little bit, but no one’s watching on there. So
[00:56:23] I don’t even know why I waste my time, but I’m trying to use it more. But it’s a challenge. Instagram is just so easy. You post a photo, you put a caption and people actually interact on Twitter. It’s like, it just disappears into the Twitterverse. Never to be heard from again. So I’m trying people. So follow The Run Wave on Twitter and follow black girls do run UK and Twitter as well.
[00:56:46] So we can, we can try to get our, our activity going on there.
[00:56:51] Tasha: [00:56:51] Yeah. I mean, I post things on Twitter when there’s like, it’s just nothing, nothing happens.
[00:57:02] [00:57:00] Kim: [00:57:02] Want to pay Tasha and Annie for being on The Run Wave Podcast. I will leave all of your details down below. If you want me to put your personal socials, let me know.
[00:57:14] And I’ll put those down. Plus puka follow you as well. Okay. And be sure it’s a follow up. Black girls do run UK on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all of that. So you can keep on top of everything that they are doing. And I hope to once he gets to London for the marathon soccer,
[00:57:32] Tasha: [00:57:32] when he comes to London will have to be up personally.
[00:57:36] Kim: [00:57:36] Yes. I’m definitely going to hit you guys up so you can show me, we make, take a few runs and show me, I want to go to Brixton. I want to get some
[00:57:46] Tasha: [00:57:46] food. Yeah. Take all the places that you worked at that you’re not going to find in the guidebook.
[00:57:52] Kim: [00:57:52] Yeah. That we’re not going to go by that. I want them to feel the real London.
[00:57:58] Yes. So [00:58:00] thank you again for being on the show. Thank you.
[00:58:02] Tasha: [00:58:02] Ma’am. Thank you for having us. It’s been brilliant.
[00:58:07] Kim: [00:58:07] All right. I hope I enjoyed my chat with Tasha and Annie of black girls do run the UK. I will be sure to leave all of their details down below so that you can follow them on all social media channels.
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